Vendée Globe 2020

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  1. Dolfiman
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    Those boats have displacement hulls but I'm afraid they slam more than a jet-sky.

    I would prefer this wide beam design to a common sailing hull because they have less wet area in upwind when heeling but riding those boats is a nightmare slamming all the way plus a collision of debris against carbon fiber hull is sure sinking (pogos are unsinkable with some foam but they still keep full of water). Due to constant structural stresses made by slamming those hulls doesn't last too much.

    In other words, the last hope of the monohulls is pretty much over.
     
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    How is the "last hope of monohulls" anywhere near over? They are still vastly more popular than multis. Look for example at the Fastnet, which despite having allowed multis for years is still overwhelmingly full of monos. Even in shorthanded racing the main growth area and popularity now appears to be in conventional IRC/ORC style monos like the Sunfasts, instead of Open style boats.

    Who said the hulls don't last?

    Why do the Open style boats have less wetted surface area upwind? Their wide hulls are said to have more wsa than a more "conventional" boat in light to moderate airs.
     
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    What are you talking about? These are clearly planing hulls. Slamming is reduced in the newest generations due to the addition of foils. The problem now is the hard accelerations and decelerations due to excess power. Ask one of the big multi sailors whether their boats are comfortable at sea.

    This is demonstrably untrue. Several of the boats in the video have experienced high speed collisions and were able to return to port and be repaired.

    Several of those boats have done multiple racing circumnavigations, in some cases with the same skipper. Not many boats of any construction method can claim those kind of lifetime mileages.
     
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    Here is a video on Corum l'Epargne, the last launched and likely less known Imoca new generation, a Juan Koumoudjian design with Michel Desjoyaux in a "builder in chief" role, for skipper Nicolas Troussel (46 years old, double winner of the La Solitaire du Figaro), a very experienced sailor although a rookie for the Vendee Globe. Team with him is very strong, inc. Sébastien Josse (ex skipper of Ultim Gitana17) and Nicolas Lunven (another double winner of the La solitaire du Figaro), not to mention Michel Desjoyaux himself. Of course a very short time was for learning/ testing and prepare the boat, but a serious outsider at least for a win :
     
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    Alex Thomson talking about the cameras on board Hugo Boss to check everything is ok :
     
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    An interview in English of Marcus Hutchinson / Linkedout Team Director (skipper Thomas Ruyant) and Miranda Merron / Campagne de France skipper :
     
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    About l'Occitane, skipper Armel Tripon and naval architect Samuel Manuard comments on the boat behaviour afetr the Defi Azimut in September (translated from their News) :

    « For the skipper Armel Tripon and the naval architect Samuel Manuard, the Défi Azimut in September will have made it possible to validate that L'Occitane en Provence conforms to its concept: to have a moderated flight height in order to avoid sudden landings which would cause it to lose momentum and speed. The boat built by Black Pepper will thus have demonstrated over these days of race that it is capable of high average speeds! this finding is very encouraging and motivating for the Vendée Globe…

    Armel Tripon : This Azimut Challenge was positive. These few days of confronting the other new IMOCAs under different sailing conditions and wind forces was a first, necessary to progress. This deliberate choice to fly lower than the others has demonstrated its effectiveness: less difference between our low and high speeds and a boat that is fairly easy to steer. This race allows us to get into a good dynamic before the Vendée Globe, if only to resume positioning reflexes, trajectories. It was a date not to be missed! Starting tomorrow, return to training to improve reliability, navigate the breeze and test the equipment.

    Sam Manuard :What I saw of the behavior of our boat during this Azimut Challenge has me much more! Until now we had worked from our feelings about the behavior of the boat, as well as the digital analysis of the performances, but "it is super important to confront others in real life, on the water". In pure speed, we now know that we are really in the game and we have been in every exercise of the Défi Azimut. We obviously have to put all of this into perspective, because these were not the conditions for the Vendée Globe; however and compared to the competition it is really very encouraging! The idea of L’Occitane en Provence is to be efficient; it's about having low speeds that are always high and falling from our foils as little as possible. It's the same principle as on the highway by car: if you stop to buy sandwiches, it kills the average (laughs)! And we must not forget that big variations in speed are mechanical stress, but it is also mental stress for the skipper. The idea was to smooth out the speed, I think that was successful and that gives us comfort in our choices. The Vendée Globe will not be played on the small blows of mistoufle there was on this Défi Azimut. What I take away is that we are well in the game compared to the other new boats, and that is a real satisfaction! "

    Source : Enseignements positifs du Défi Azimut pour Armel Tripon et Sam Manuard | Armel Tripon https://www.armeltripon.com/09/enseignements-positifs-du-defi-azimut-pour-armel-tripon-et-sam-manuard/

     
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    Have anyone found internet coverage of the start in English?
     
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    ... in the video, see the real start from 1:53
     
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