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using existing hull as mold?

Discussion in 'Boat Molds' started by Rippin Lips, May 4, 2005.

  1. Rippin Lips
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    Rippin Lips Junior Member

    hello, i was just wondering if there is anyway to use an existing hull as a mold, or use to create a mold if so....

    1)will it ruin my existing hull, is there anything to coat it with?

    2)if used to create a mold, how would i go about doing so?
    (as in materials and instruction...any links would help.)

    please bare with me as i am the newest of newbies but willing to learn.....thanks
     
  2. Eric Sponberg
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    Eric Sponberg Senior Member

    You can, but that is known as "stealing the design" and is against federal law. It is also unethical. The 1998 Vessel Hull Design Protection Act, otherwise known as the "anti-splash law", prohibits taking molds of existing boats unless the person doing the molding has the permission of the owner of the design. Unless and until you get that permission, you can stop your inquiry right here.

    Eric
     
  3. Rippin Lips
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    Rippin Lips Junior Member

    i appreciate your rapid reply and thanks for the headsup on the laws and all.....my boat was built by a friend of mine before he passed, i guess it was just to see if he could do it, it is however the only boat he's built like that so im sure the laws dont apply as he was not a manufacturer. i would not have brought my inquiry to the forums if i thought that there were legalities and such. i have one of two boats that he has built. the boat is great and i have never had any problems with it in the 6 years that ive had it, all i know is that he built a wooden hull and layed fiberglass over it to come up with the hull i am using now which is completely fiberglass no wood. i just would like to know the steps to duplicate it and maybe add some extras. once again i appreciate your input on the "anti-splash" laws as i was totally un aware of it, i am not a builder but i do ant to learn an i seek some sort of "online training" be it through links or input form others....thanks again
     
  4. marshmat
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    marshmat Senior Member

    Your friend's estate probably owns the design now and it shouldn't be too hard to talk it through with the appropriate lawyer. It is a Very Bad Idea to attempt this without appropriate legal approval.

    It is technically feasible to make a female mold from a hull. This is how they're made in the first place, from an exact male plug of the hull. Find a good book on fibreglass construction; build a mold as for a new design but use your existing hull as the plug. The 'plug' must be coated with a release agent; if the whole shebang is done properly it will not damage the existing hull.
     
  5. Rippin Lips
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    Rippin Lips Junior Member

    thanks marsh, and my friend had no family really, at leat none that gave a ****. he was just a normal fishing guy like me just trying to come up with something that worked. i know there was nothing legally on the boat aside from the basic registration and that was it. just a backyard build, but i will definately check into it...but if nothing comes up, is the mold made of the inside of the hull, or the outside?
     
  6. marshmat
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    marshmat Senior Member

    the outside shape of the hull is what matters... to get a mold from a hull plug, you carefully prepare the outside and lay a very hefty laminate over the upside-down boat. You'll need to read up on the process before you start as it's far too involved to explain in detail here.
     
  7. Eagle Boats
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    Eagle Boats Senior Member

    Just to add my 2 cents, it will take a lot of work to get the hull (which is called a plug) ready to make a mold from. First, you should make sure that the dimensions on either side of the hull are identical. I have seen plugs that were off by as much as 3 inches in places from one side to the other. In addition, after you have done that, there will be a tremendous amount of fairing and finish work necessary to get the plug ready to pull a mold from. If you are sure that the boat you intend to build will have market appeal, go for it. Before you start this endeavor, you may want to try making a small mold first to make sure that you really want to go forward. Anyway, best of luck to you.
     
  8. Rippin Lips
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    Rippin Lips Junior Member

    thanks eagle, didint realize how intensive it could be, i thought it was just about laying lots n lots of fiberglass over the prepared hull until its twice as thick as you would intend the new hull to be.......well i guesss that will be out of the question now but i do have another one.......what do you think about plywood boats? i was thinking about buying a design kit from bateau.com. their smaller designs are for beginners but all of them look really good and they have many different styles. its a stitch and glue build but my understanding is that you can re-enforce as much as you want with fiberglass.
     
  9. gfinishline
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    gfinishline Junior Member

    Hey 'Lipps' why do you PM me (more than once) and ask questions, then ask the same questions (in a different way) here? Did you not like my TRUTHFULL answers? Why would anyone waste their time with you, when you are all over the web bugging everyone? I have been doing tooling since 1972 and it just isn't as easy as everyone would like it to be. Step up or step back, but just don't be a BS'er with our time and experience. Those of us that have made molds know that it is NOT AN EASY JOB! YOU won't find any "magic way" to make it easyer! Why do you think we (people who know how) are here looking for cheap molds? AND! I told you the mold had to be THREE TIMES AS THICK AS THE PART IT MAKES! Why state 2 times?
     
  10. Rippin Lips
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    Rippin Lips Junior Member

    what the hell are you talkin about? i dont ebven know who you are....i have never PMd you once so what are you talking about "more than once"? get your facts straight before bashing... ive never PMd anyone i may have emailed a few people and dont remember who but i sure as hell dont recognize your name....besides, im asking for advice not demanding instruction...i thought this site welcomed new builders and the inquisitive alike, yet you act like im an annoyance... ill accept your feedback when i ask for it. til then go take your frustrations out somewhere else
     
  11. gfinishline
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    gfinishline Junior Member

    Are you nuts? Your 'name' sgt slapaho, is all over my mail, along with "Rippin lips" @ Cox.... I wanted to help you, but you seem to be a little off base! Don't bother to respond, I don't need people (users) like you! I know how to make molds and boats! I do it for a living.
     
  12. Wynand N
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    Wynand N Retired Steelboatbuilder

    Rippin Lips, gfinishline

    This is a public forum and I for one is against personal attacks amongst members. If you gentleman have a difference of opinions, please use the PM's or Email and keep it private and among'st yourselfs....

    All of the best
     
  13. gfinishline
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    gfinishline Junior Member

    You are correct Sir. I seek the truth and only offer my true experinces in these fields. I do not condone what I feel Mr"Rippin Lips" is doing. He has asked me a number of questions (at my mail), I have answered ALL of his questions. He then comes back here, and 'plays dumb', asking the same questions and getting the same answers, over and over. If we (who have made molds and parts) are not giving the answers he WANTS TO HEAR, then I am sorry, but why not be 'up front' and state the fact that he has contacted others, and has a good idea of how molds/ mold making work. This kind of person makes it more difficult for the 'true information seekers', to open up the 'mind vaults' of knowledge. I would like to help anyone who asks, but not 'go around and around' with those who waste my time. Has he contacted any of you?
     
  14. alex livingston
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    alex livingston New Member

    using flat premade fiberglass sheets

    Rippin, Ive been a backyard boat builder for a few years and if your gonna make a one off boat, try building models out of cardboard.This allows you to fool around with designs.and then building the protos out of fiberglass sheets that can be made on a plywood/formica table. We are currently laying up a thirty eight foot fishing boat with flats that we layed out on a forty foot table. THree years ago we finished a thirty four foot boat that works sweet!

    Check out Panamasportsman.com under the Magoo Project...
     

  15. yokebutt
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    yokebutt Boatbuilder

    Hey, gfinishline, you should know as well as I do, the best revenge is just to tell him to go ahead......

    Yokebutt.
     
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