Turmoil in Egypt

Egypts main financial backers, The Gulf States, support the present crackdown.

 

Yah Terry the problem between it being a military coup or not is fundamental. If it is we will no longer be part of the African union for example and our membership will be suspended.
If its "proven" other wise than its a different game. We had no parliament (it was dissolved since it was tailored for MB) and we have no other mean to impeach him.
Mubark just stepped down Morsi threatened us ... so what else could we have done ?

In the mean time they have pretty much tried to seize power in an alarming rate (just like Terry mentioned the Nazi regime which i honestly think is the other side of the coin to the MB) in almost all aspects of the country even judicial.

I would have played it differently in many things even the way they removed the demonstrators but honestly at this moment in time they did the right thing (maybe not the right way or the right time but its the right thing.)
Now the next step is really the problem .... what next ? Are we back to square one after a full circle ? And end up with the old regime? Or are we hopefully going to take a new step in a new direction ?
The first really comforting aspect was the backing off almost all civilian sectors when General El Sisi removed Morsi but we shall see .

 

Now is time for the Cooling Off period. Restore public order, reduce the violence, then give another try at civilian leadership.

 

I'd say that popular support for ousting Morsi, because he spent his time trying to consolidate power for the MB instead of running the country, had already built to the point where if the military didn't take charge there was going to be massive civil unrest.

I wasn't there, obviously. But it looks to me like they timed their intervention pretty well, and prevented what could have turned into anarchy, banditry and vigilante justice.

 

I understand that by definition, this was a military coup: the military ousted an elected civilian president.

On the other hand, that elected civilian president was acting like a dictator. He was busy undermining and destroying everything that had allowed him to come to power, so no one could challenge him as he filled the MB's religious and political agenda.... What else were they supposed to do, since they were the only ones who could stop him?

 

Thats a good summary ....

 

That, and guaranteeing that the Suez Canal remains open.

 

That is only one element, as AdHoc pointed out earlier.

It is also fundamental that people know where their taxes are going.
Egypt's military get a large proportion of the country's budget and the people
are not told how much. Therefore IMO Egypt is still a long way from being a
proper democracy. Maybe in 20 or 30 years, when the young people who
have grown up with modern ideas take over. Until then, (again only IMO)
Egypt is either a fascist theocractic state (under MB), or a military
dictatorship.

 

It has taken Spain several decades to wrestle with the change from Military Dictatorship and it's still not perfect, but a far better shape than it was before. However, once the institutions that define independence, transparency, rule of law inter alia are in place, it is a start, but, it won’t happen overnight either....A “free” vote as I noted before is the icing on the cake, i.e. the end result of democracy, but having such institutions in place to begin with to allow a “free” vote. That's the hard part.

 

even then it was going nowhere fast then the EU decided it needs debt to progress....the rest is history
( who put socialists in charge)

 

Well, the MB are doing a very good job of running a terrorist insurgency throughout the country, as I blogged about (luvsiesous.com).

The MB attacked the police, so when the MB attacked hundreds of Christian sites, there would be no police to protect the Christians. As one policeman told a Bishop, if you have guns, defend yourselves.

There are areas of Egypt in what should be called a 'failed state.' I pray that this does not spread throughout the country, and they need to do something short term and long term to fix the MB problem.

Just driving the MB underground into long term terrorist activity is not real good for the country.

wayne

 

Brief summary of modern Egyptian politics.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23780839

 

Replace 'Egypt' with 'America' and who do you think of?

:idea:

 

Fox world news just showed 100s if not 1,000s of dead people from gassing -live video
interviews with doctors--nothing they can do--no medicine for gas attacks. Horrible video-do not let young children see it. The world now must act.

 

Horrible, yes, but do you realise it happened in Syria not Egypt?

(Which side are you going to support? The one full of Al-Qaeda fighters or one of the many other factions?)