Turmoil in Egypt

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  1. Doug Lord
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    Egypt

    I hope they can rewrite the constitution to ban parties affiliated with religous organizations if the people would support that. Without such a ban I'm afraid
    there won't ever be democracy in Egypt of, by and for all the people.
    I wish the people good luck-and Vulkyn keep safe!
     
  2. Vulkyn
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    Paul your insight is amazing .... very well analysed and written. Thumbs up !

    Yesterday was one of the best moves i have seen in Egypt in a LONG time. El Sissy was very smart to the point and moved power from Morsi to the President of the court of legislation (Not sure if i translated it correctly.) The fact he did that with representatives from various polotical and relgious parties is his way of saying the Army is not in involved and its no military coupe.
    Hats off for the guy very well organised and done.

    In my opinion the major victory here is that the MB is burnt. They have lost power, respect and support from a LOT of people. The basically went kamikazy politically, i do not think they will represent a major political power in Egypt for some time.

    If we start running the country the same way things went yesterday then i can honestly start having hope again, we have no tolerance for extremists and we need to really start building our country again.

    At least every one is smiling today :p
     
  3. Vulkyn
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    The constitution has been suspended till its reviewed and sorted. Having a temporary president who is the judge of the constitutional court means he can actively help in re-rewetting the constitution.

    Egyptians are very religious by nature, that be muslims and christians. However i am sure the MB fiasco will help people make better judgment calls and i am sure every one will think twice before voting to any religious affiliated political party.
     
  4. PAR
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    Doug, this is precisely the wrong thing to do, as distasteful as it seems on the surface. The moment you restrict the rights of a single person, everyone is lessened to a significant degree..

    The one thing I've always enjoyed about Egyptians is their insistence they are unique (which they are). Having as a long and colorful a history (as they), makes this pretty easy to understand, but don't count out the Brotherhood yet. They still have a lot of control in many areas, especially regionally and in the parliament. Elections may change this, but this is a way off yet, so you can bet the remains will try to consolidate and "morf" into a more palatable group, much like they did before the last election, which brought them into power.

    I remember you suggesting they weren't as bad as I was suggesting, very early in this thread. This was before the election and before they showed what their true agenda was. Trust me, they'll do this again, like all successful political parties. They'll piss on your back and tell you it's just raining, in an attempt to win favor, votes, mask their true concepts and intentions and over come these set backs.

    I truly hope you (as a nation) are done with extremists, but most thought the same when Yasser Arafat died, but look who was elected and how that's worked out for them. Of course, this is a different people, but my point is extremism can be quite enticing to some, just look at the radical right in this country. True nut jobs with insane ideas, but cleverly marketed to appeal to the scared and uninformed of the population. They'd have us turn back a 1/2 a century of social development and still folks buy the packaging.

    As I previously mentioned, freedom is hard, very hard. It's a level of citizenship that requires you love those that hate you, defend those that might spit on you and tolerate those that want to destroy you. Yeah, freedom is very tough, but the rewards can be bountiful. It also takes a long time to "settle" into a workable routine. It usually takes a generation or two, simply because you have to wait for the old, hateful old guard to die off and be replaced by those that didn't live through the troubled years and most importantly have grown up with a new sense of morality.

    Good to see your post Vulkyn and glad you're safe. Now, lets see Egypt 2.1 (rev.) . . .
     
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    Totally agree, remember the Soviets . . .

    - great religious leaders have often echoed that sentiment. Problem seems to be, their followers don't always hear it . . .
     
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    Believe it or not, everything in the world is not Obama's fault.

    We know very well who has the planes in Egypt: the military. Which is more or less pro-American, or at least not anti-American. And the real power in that country lies in military hands. Anyone who rules does so because they allow him to, and they're more interested in stability than they are in democracy, theocracy or any other -ocracy.

    Or at least that's how it looks from here. I'm sure Vulkyn knows more about it than I do....

    add: looks like I'm late to the party. That's all been said, and eloquently.:p
     
  7. Doug Lord
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    Egypt

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    Paul, I wasn't meaning to advocate restrictions on any of the people. I was trying to think of some way that political parties would be limited ,somehow, to advocating political positions-not theology. There must be a way to prevent the co-option of the democratic process by radical religous groups.
    Maybe something along the lines of the separation between church and state?
    If this isn't addressed there is nothing preventing a recurrence of what just happened, as best I can tell.
     
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    I wondered how long it would take you to ring that lead bell.
    With the condition of our economy, all tax money spent for foreign aid is unjustified and should cease. Feed your own chicks before feeding the ones on your neighbor's land.
     
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    Ideally, yes.
    But if the USA cut aid to Egypt, I wonder whether the USA would also be willing
    to pay higher transit fees for its ships travelling through the Suez.
    After all, Egypt would just be collecting money to feed its own chickens.
    Would you support that, Hoyt? Even if it turned out to cost more than the aid
    currently being paid by the USA? ;)
     
  10. Vulkyn
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    Morsi posted to video's urging his supporters to rally and save democracy as he is still the president.

    I can not believe how power hungry they are. They are willing to cause violence, unrest and hatred just to stay in power.
    Even Mubarak did not do that when he stepped down.

    I am ever more confident that this was the right thing to do ...
     
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    hoyt just has knee jerk reactions, no reasoning involved
     
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    Let's stay on topic please, this isn't about US or any other politics except maybe Egyptian. We're pushing our luck discussing religion . . .


    Problem with that is it would be enshrined in a constitution. A government can change that once they're in power unless there are powerful organisations to oppose them. Separation between church and state has to be embedded deep within the national psyche before it's untouchable.
     
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    If Egypt wants to charge a higher fair price evenly charged to vessels under all lawful flags for right of passage through its sovereign waters, I cannot object.
     
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    It is better to have a knee jerk reaction than to just be a naive jerk.
     

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    The government should not tell any person what faith, if any, he must practice. It should also not tell a person of faith that he may not practice it as long as that faith does not induce him to saw the head from his neighbor in the name of it.
     
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