Turmoil in Egypt

I'll go one further, May all the Gods bless all the people and strike them dead if they fail to follow one basic rule "Do on to your fellow human as you would have him do on to you ".(your family) Sorry this NO NO topic arose in my post but the root of the thread compells so. With that i'll get off religion literally as like all dangerious weapons in the hands of imperfect man there's usually an imperfect ending--So handle your weapons with compassion and understanding, it's what my agnostic God commands. Once again Vulkyn-- monitor the situation extremenly carefully --you're dealing with the most deadly weapon on earth---any doubt what so ever where you and your family are concerned get to safe ground-- Geo.

 

Though we may differ on the finer points, we certainly agree on the golden rule. Our number one commandment is to love one another. Forgiveness is hard to do while having one's head sliced off with a dull knife.

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Vulkyn...Are you out there..:?:

I know there's still a lot of turmoil over there, please update that you're still doing OK..

 

Thanks Bamby ...

Well the remaining elections are on Wednesday so we shall see how things will roll.
The new ministry seems to run a much tighter ship, i have seen extensive police presence the last couple of days.

I guess the direction for the country as a whole will start to show after the final elections results. I guess only then will we know where on earth we are going ...

 

Oh p-l-e-a-s-e.


So which god are you hoping for god bless? There is quite a few you know not just the few you know about.

Crikey I think ille go look at the global warming thread. I feel sick.

 

You're w-e-l-c-o-m-e. I hope you like AGW thread. Take a bucket, just in case.

 

Good to hear everything's still well for you...You Stay safe "My Friend".

 

I hate religion and at this time of year I hate it more. If it were not for religion stem cell research would not be in its infancy but actually helping people.

we would be thousands of years ahead of where we are now instead of this stunted growth the by tooth fairy believers,--

Just pass it buy and stand on your own two feet like a Human being and a man, take responsibility for you actions and consider consequences without begging or pleading for forgivness. Why not just 'not' do things needing forgivness in the first place.

How can a man be a man when he can ask for forgivness as he begs at the feet of an alter or some other made up super dooper forgiver.

No part of this world will develop with religion, show me one country that has, on the contrary, religious parts are most troubled and will remain to be so!

 

Never confuse religion with faith. Lots of faithful people shun organized religion.

Merry Christmas, Frosty.

 

Frosty couldn't have said "much" of what you said better but I don't hate religion, I hate when greedy-power hungry men turn this into a dangerious tool . 99%' ( yes that high a percentage) of religious people I know are hypocrites. However I highly respect what religion does for those good people who need it. You and I are lucky to be strong enough to accept our time here on earth as a natural life cycle no more than other living things. Doing so builds an internal awareness we are responsible for our actions and when we lay down alone with our final breath, being happy you did your best with a few regrets will be our Heaven, too many regrets our hell. Having said that properly followed,(key word) religion does help untold numbers struggle thru the the hell of life brought upon them by others--In many cases caused by the very manipulated teachings they are following. Yes indeed the most dangerious weapon on earth.

 

Finding religion distasteful is easy. Just focus on the bad and ignore the good.

The stupidity and crimes related to wrongful pursuit of "religion" are staggering. Much of the crusades, the religious cleansing by early Muslim conquests (the red crescent earned it color from the blood spilled), Jim Jones, the current state of extremist terrorism all are easy to point at as being just plain wrong.

Even when people have tried to do "good" based on a religious position, many outcomes have been not so good.

Just because "religion" has a bad track record in some areas does not mean that all religious activity is either bad or wrong.

A bad cop beating someone on a you-tube video does not mean that most law enforcement officers are to be despised (I tend to have the opposite opinion).

The helping hand for the homeless or the hurting after a disaster anywhere on the globe is frequently attached to someone who would tell you his faith led him/her to be a good Samaritan. As best I can tell, most who fit this description are Christians.

Hating religion is hating. More often than not, hating is bad (especially when you are not correct and/or careful about your target).

Being very angry about wrongful actions is not the same. I do not hate Muslim extremist, I deplore their actions. I really wish we could learn to eliminate those things that tend to support and/or promote extremism. I also wish we could convince the extremists that their hate is misguided and convince them to change their goals. I understand that this is unlikely, but I stay my course.

When someone is providing faith based words of support for someone hurting, it would be considerate to not blast out an anti-religious message. Please try not to be offensive when the exchange was well intended by the sender and welcomed by the one who was the intended receiver.

When someone is trying to inappropriately push their religious views on others, some push back / venting / ranting is not unexpected and usually not offensive (depending on the wording chosen).

A big part of the focus for this thread, is the boating community's support for a fellow boating enthusiast's unfortunate situation. Do we really have to spoil things with discussions that are neither helpful nor warranted?

I have noted that Vulkyn seems to be intelligent, considerate and generally pretty careful with his words. I strive to be like minded with mine. I wish him the best and hope that people like him will eventually be allowed to pull together into a political voice that will result in a better situation in Egypt.

 

Frosty, the fact is if there was not civilized religion there would have NEVER been civilization at all. We would still be in the stone age, not thousands of years ahead. Atheistic forms of government are guilty of more death, atrocities, and killing of invention, technology, and general advancement in the last 100 years than in all of previous history combined.

Sorry, in terms of death alone, Atheistic creeds have killed more in the name of ideology than any religion ever. That is a simple fact of history.

Yes, there are many abuses of religion by tyrants using it to get some poor peasant to throw his life away for the sake of the tyrants ambitions. But that can happen in either an atheistic ideology or a religious one. It is just the propensity for humans to behave savagely and selfishly.

But humans are also just as capable of behaving with kindness and charity as well. To blame religion with such mindless enthusiasm only points to your ignorance and bigotry. It has no place here or anywhere else.

 

I've seen that claim before -- and frankly, I don't believe it. Whoever originally said it obviously had no idea how many millions of people have died over the last 5 or 6 thousand years, in wars fought by those who professed to believe in gods or a god.

And on what basis do you say that religion is the very basis of civilization? It seems to me that over the history of mankind, religion has hindered civilization at least as much as it's helped it.

If you're claiming that without it there would be no cooperation, morality, ethics or altruism, I point you toward recent experiments involving rats who demonstrated altruism and empathy:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/10/rats-empathy-altruistic-behavior_n_1140130.html

 

I think it's important to point out here that Christianity is not the only religion of the world. Both the Isalmic and Christian religions are breakaways from an older religion and are the newest kids on the block. Both have yet to be proven successful over the long term. When considering religions the old pagan religions must also be included, including that of the Aztecs a fairley recent in tact religion that must have had unquestioning loyal followers to make the human sacrifices to their Gods. As recent as the second world war, Japanese officers removed-cooked and ate the livers of allied prisoners in the warped religious belief that they would absorb the power of their enemys. As i prev. posted this is not a good forum topic but how does one not involve it on this thread when truthfully one of the big driving factors involves religious sects. Again i'm not saying belief in something superior is bad. It instills a code in life to follow. The key for me is to question the reality of the so called superior and the manner in which his so called represenatives live their lives and lead their flock. My Gods: Father and Mother Nature work for me and thru evolution they gave me a thinking brain which thinks and questions. If there is another higher power God I don't think he would be upset i respect his works to such a high degree --so i'm in kinda like in a win win situation. It's sad in this modern age with our highly evolved human brains we still judge others to the point we fight over such things as a variety in religions. Thank God there are other religions to break up the power and control of manupilating humans who profess to be their Gods represenitives here on earth. Always question authority to maintain control of our so called leaders to sustain good religion and good government. This my friends is also a big driving factor of what is happening in Egypt, religion and government, the most dangerious weapon on earth.

 

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"Between 1934 and 1987, an estimated 12,000 South African blacks lost their lives at the hands of the South African government. Black and white liberals have roundly condemned South Africa. But there's silence and even praise for murdering governments to the north. Between 1966 and 1979, Nigeria murdered over 400,000 of its own citizens; between 1975 and 1987, Mozambique murdered 200,000; between 1960 and 1987, Uganda murdered 579,000; between 1956 and 1987, the Sudan murdered over a million. Since 1960, over 2.2 million black Africans have been murdered by their own governments. But for America's black and white liberals, it's only the 12,000 blacks murdered by South African whites that count."
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