Trying to identify a project boat

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  1. DadsWoodenBoat
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    My dad just brought home a wooden project boat. We haven't had a chance to really dive into it to find any major identifying marks. We have been trying to identify it based on the size and hull shape

    we have determined it is between 32-36ft loa, 7.5-9ft beam, 5-6ft draft. It is a sloop, very well furnished interior. It has wheel, not a tiller. (this was important when we were looking at some possible designs). Diesel engine, not sure if it is the original. It is very similar hull shape to a Rhodes Bounty design but a few feet shorter.

    As we get more info I will update. For now these are the pictures we have.[​IMG]
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    Thank you for your help.
     
  2. philSweet
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    Possibly a Cheoy Lee Lion.
     
  3. DadsWoodenBoat
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    That looks very similar, we'll have to dig into this one more. Was the Cheoy Lee Lion made with a wooden hull? So far I'm just finding fibreglass.
     
  4. DadsWoodenBoat
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    I take that back, I just found info saying Ipol frame and teak hull.
     
  5. PAR
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    Most of the Choy Lee Lions where wood, with a few in 'glass. I've owned one of each. The wooden ones lacked a "bustle", while the 'glass ones had it. The rudder was also slightly different shaped on the 'glass ones and the ballast was internal on the 'glass versions.
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    This is actually the Arthur Robb Offshore 35 design of 1950. My wooden one was a fractional sloop, while the 'glass one was a factory built yawl. If you can provide an interior shot (photo) through the companionway, some of the details will make it obvious. Choy Lee also made their own hardware, so look for their logo on chain plates, winch bases, etc.
     
  6. DadsWoodenBoat
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    Thank you all for your replies. My dad is going to do a little digging around today now that it is in his shop and the move is complete. This was a lucky find for him. He recently sold a George Buehler design Archimedes schooner he built and sailed for several years.

    This was a "you haul it you can have it" find. My dad has had experience building his boat and he restored mahogany runabouts as extra income after he retired. He looked this sailboat over some before he picked it up and it does have some rot. Comparing this to some of the heaps of rotted mahogany that were once boats that he turned into beautiful ready to finish hulls (he never did the finishing for those) this boat's repairs seem minor in comparison, as long as the rot isn't much worse than he anticipated. So far there isn't any documentation, he has been concentrating on moving the boat more than researching it.

    Restore project
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    The Archimedes design getting close to finished.
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  7. DadsWoodenBoat
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    My parents just received documentation that the owners didn't have available when they first picked up the boat. She is a 1958 Rhodes design. I couldn't find much info about this in my original research. Here is a snippet from the documents they received.
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    Thank you for your help. Now I just have to track down info about this model.
     

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  8. PAR
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    If it is a Rhodes, it's cabin has been highly modified, which seems unlikely. I'm fairly familiar with Phil's work and though the hull looks close, the cabin isn't a Rhodes. In any case she'd likely have a builders plate and production number somewhere. Again, more images will likely tell the tale.
     
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    On the other hand, the rework will probably be quite a bit easier on a Rhodes than on a Cheoy Lee. The Cheoy Lee's joinery work tended to be of the not-intended-to-be-disassembled variety.

    And in PAR's defense, I'm personally familiar with several old boats (and other old objects) whose registration listed plausible, if not entirely accurate, information. If you find the info doesn't exactly match the find, I suggest that correcting it is not terribly high on the list of priorities just now unless you happen to know someone who is really good at repacking that particular can of worms.

    And then there is this little bit of history -

    The Reliant (1963) exposed Phil to some of the new risks of the new materials -- piracy. The Reliant, a unique three-cabin layout in a 41-foot boat, was brokered by Lion Yachts in Connecticut and built by Cheoy Lee in Hong Kong. Phil was dismayed when he discovered that Cheoy Lee was soon marketing a virtual sistership, the Offshore 40. The plug used to make the Reliant mold had been altered slightly, the deck mold was mirrored, and iron ballast replaced lead ballast

    The legacy of Philip Rhodes - SailNet Community http://www.sailnet.com/forums/good-old-boat/28687-legacy-philip-rhodes.html
     
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  10. DadsWoodenBoat
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    Wow, great replies. I have interior images but I haven't figured out how to upload them from my phone. I'll have access to a computer on Monday, I'll post more then. I'll also share some more history on this particular hull. Some documentation we received showed it went through a rebuild after being damaged in a hurricane. We have an incomplete document that looks to be an assessment of the damages before repair work took place. I can upload that as well on Monday. Again, thank you for the replies. This gets awfully confusing trying to research these old hulls with no previous knowledge of them.
     

  11. DadsWoodenBoat
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    Here are some interior shots. I also included all of the documentation we received. If this is indeed a Rhodes design it is very hard to track down additional info. I see my comprehension skills while skimming documents are a little off as well. The document #03 isn't pertaining to the hurricane damage repairs, they mention the repairs. The document is categorizing further repairs several years later.

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