Trading for profit ( to buy a boat)

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  1. rwatson
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    I had an interesting little thing happen today. I was doing some searching in my email, and came across a document too big to upload, called the "Olduvai Theory", which I am sure everyone could Google.

    It was quite long and involved, written by economists in the early 1900's predicting the shortage of materials, but most significantly, the failure of the power grid - going from odd blackouts to total failure - due to the expense of maintaining the network. eg.


    "3) Permanent Blackouts Are Coming
    The third catch, according to the Olduvai Theory, is that sooner or later the power grids will go down and never come back up.4 The reasons are many.
    The International Energy Agency (lEA, 2004) estimates that the cumulative worldwide energy investment funds required from 2003 to 2030 would be
    about $15.32 trillion (T, US 2000 $) allocated as follows:
    1. Coal: $0.29T (1.9% of the total),
    2. Oil: $2.69T (17.6%),
    3. Gas: $2.69T (17.6%),
    4. Electricity: $9.66T (63.1%).
    Thus the lEA projects that the worldwide investment funds essential for electricity will be 3.7 times the amount needed for oil alone, and much
    greater than all of that required for oil, gas, and coal combined.
    The OT says that the already debt-ridden nations, cities, and corporations will not be able to raise the $15.32 trillion in investment funds required by 2030 for world energy."


    Also

    "Electromagnetic Civilization
    For systems theorists the first message of their eerily smooth distribution curves is clear: big blackouts are a natural product of the power
    grid. The culprits that get blamed for each blackout – lax tree trimming, operators who make bad decisions – are actors in a bigger drama, their failings mere triggers for disasters that in some strange ways are predestined. In this systems-level view, massive blackouts are inevitable"




    The reason this article struck a note to me by many articles in this weeks news, about electricity prices rises being caused by :-

    ""gold-plating" of state government electricity infrastructure"

    Are we seeing the thin end of the Olduvai Wedge - the failure to be able to fund electrical infrastructure ???




    Side note :


    A related article
    "Last year alone, the Internet industry used more power than the auto-manufacturing industry. In total, it consumes the approximate output of 30 nuclear power plants annually."

    http://theenergycollective.com/jen-robinson/144246/growing-power-hungry-internet
     
  2. michael pierzga
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    Yah.. infrastructure...the electric grid. In places like the US East Coast a summer rainstorm knocks out power for half a million. Think of Sandy...not only the primary infrastrucure failed but the secondary..backup generators at hospitals failed. Something like half the bridges and dams in the US are more than 50 years old.

    Reliable Infrastructure and capitalism, " stock market investing to save up for a yacht" , dont go well together .
     
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    Yeah - my bad. I got the threads "ocean conditions are changing due to Rapid Global Climate Shift " and this one messed up.

    If "Mr Magic Eyes" can move it, that would be great.

    But hey - most of the comments in that thread are way off the subject too :)
     
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    Im sure the enlightened ones can guide us through these dangerous times that lay ahead.

    "We need to kill off populations, prevent births, start paying our fair share of carbon taxes, and realize that we cant continue like this, we have to accept lower standards of living than our predeccesors and for the sake of mother earth we have to start working together to accomplish this NOW."

    The only reason blackouts would occur is if you can get cheaper energy elsewhere or something like powerful sunspots occur. Those same type of people have been coming up with these ideas for millenia, start crying wolf then everybody is supposed to give up thier rights for them to take care of us.

    What about the innovations and inventions that have prove these people wrong time after time? Ordinary people figuring out new solutions, making money while doing it, creating employment, and giving mankind better living standards.
     
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    Whoa !

    Kill off populations ?

    So much for Goodwilltoall................
     
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    Where does it say that in the bible ? Isn't murder a bad thing ?


    Isn't everything just as god wants it ?
    Wont you be saved at the "second coming" ?
    So why do you bother to worry about the environment ?
     
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    I dont worry about the enviroment, God perfectly fined tuned it for life on earth, the scripture does teach us to be good stewards and rebukes those that destroy the earth.

    The "kill off populations" quote is what people promoting "olduvia theory" and other such modern day nonsense would have us to do. Yes, murder is bad. God is long suffering and for a short while bears the wicked.

    Even if olduvia theory is correct - which it isnt - other inventions and ways of getting by are already waiting in the wings, its only a matter of time before the vacuum is filled.
     
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    But aren't you the one who believes in Gold as an investment ?
     
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    Yea, be a wise steward of whats given to you.
     
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    Other type of future investments:
    1. Digital learning.
    2. Farm land: Some in the midwest has increased from about $2,000 per acre, to over $20,000 since 2000, this is mostly based upon it fertility and not other reasons (maybe a little inflation as well).
    3. Wheat, coffee, beef, corn and other food type have increased at least 3x since 2000.
    4. Can mention security, survelience, police state type investments but will not as they are immoral.

    The trend is up for all those, and the trend is your friend, a rising tide lifts all boats.
     
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    The mining of gold is one off mankind's great miseries.

    Thousand of children are dead or dying from lead poisoning at this moment

    Gold is not an ethical investment. Hording of gold has zero social value.


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    You can run any business based upon the picture you show (its probably from that great liberated nation of South Africa). Maybe its the people running the show, and not the mining of gold itself thats to blame?

    Gold is just a way of exchange and maintaining purchasing power rather than losing it holding dollars, if some want to hoard as you say, who are you to forbid it? Btw, savers/hoarders until a few years ago, where edified.
     
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    Since 1913 what cost you $1.00 dollar to buy, now cost $98.00. In 1912 the dollar was backed by gold and maintained the same buying power it did 1812. Do you think the people that saved for retirement and hoarded thier money in banks over the last 50 years appreciate what inflation has done to thier earnings?

    Lets depend on the government like the one you have in Spain to provide for us, or better yet, when you get to old to be useful and "contribute to society" maybe its time to put you to sleep as some geniuses in government are proposing? Oh, and let all the money you accumulated just revert back to the state, your children dont need or deserve it, they are just human resources anyways.
     
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    I see....

    Drop your gold and try this out for size........................................

    In 1800, a candle providing one hour's light cost six hours' work.

    In the 1880s, the same light from a kerosene lamp took 15 minutes' work to pay for.

    In 1950, it was eight seconds.

    Today, it's half a second.

    In these terms, we are 43,200 times better off than in 1800.

    No bad, not bad at all.

    This improvement came thru investment and education..not piling gold coins in your bunker
     

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    Goodwill - you owe me $25,000 for your inept financial advice to buy Gold !!!
     

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