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Discussion in 'Sailboats' started by mighetto, Nov 1, 2004.

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  1. mighetto
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    Welcome to Seattle's Sailing Progressive Internet

    Mike,

    Gutpile is not me. FYI, I have been signing my posts owing to the rumors of my being a composite and the special protection involving identity theft afforded when one does that. The Wild West Internet is no more. There will be more casualties but these fellows are the least smart among criminals.

    If you have been following Wikipedia, it is possible to trace any post to a computer owned by someone. Hence the anonymity that was so valuable to the unmarried or unfaithful and photo journalists positing nudes of children no longer exists. Swift boating fine fellows such as us will be more difficult in the new age of sailing because of this.

    I find that much unhappiness in boat design and yachting can be avoided by debunking popular myths and one of those myths is that protests are insults. And did we not execute our two circles well in the no wind we had at the Hope Island Race. The sport advances only through protests. Thanks.

    No boat should be designed for sailing in the conditions we had yesterday. Think about this and think about the vessels that finished. I have no gripe with the AC boat and TP 52 designers who would not expect a race to be started when the predicted wind speed for the entire day was but 1 MPH. If not for the boat parade I suspect the SSSS race yesterday would also have been canceled. BTW, Murrelet joined the parade as a spectator and in hopes of finding He Lives, the J Boat that did finish the racing. It was a odd if magical evening owing to fog. I hope all had fun. Even the foul mouth in the dinghy. We have found a new use for the VHF send button. Should be fun next time. Merry Christmas. FYI PHRF was designed for cruising class and not race boats. any vessel with a rating under 300 should be out there racing. Folks like Tripp Gal, Crank Boy and Bubba would like to scare many off the courses. They need to give way for the good of the sport. The battle appears to never end. But there will be an end. I can feel it.

    Frank L. Mighetto
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  2. marshmat
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    marshmat Senior Member

    This thread just doesn't die, eh?

    Would anyone care to explain why we repeatedly compare a 26 foot trailer-based lake cruiser with a 52-foot ocean racer? Other than the fact that both have sails, a propeller and a hull, I can't see many real points of comparison. Anyone? Please? Or shall we just accept that they're different animals, and live in peaceful harmony aboard our respective yachts?
     
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    Matt!! OMG!
    over 90 pages and you are still confused.

    As has been Proven, the discussion is (in fact) comparing a 26 foot ocean racing grey hound, with a 52 foot inshore sail boat of doubtful pedigree and/or future.

    Of course they are comparable:
    26 goes into 52 twice.
    AND if you divide 52 in half you get 26 :idea:
    Mmm, see?
    and there's more: 52 divided by itself gives you 1. 26 divided by itself gives you, wait for it, 1!!!!
    Coincidence? I think not!

    Both are ballasted in some way.
    Both, arguably, have a sharp end AND a blunt end

    The similarities are endless. You must be getting an idea of the obvious conspiracy by now?


    AND, GET THIS: BOTH designs have been, at some time or other, in the same ocean as a certain president GWB has swum in. I haven't yet verified it but if true, that STINKS of obvious Al Quaida involvment. Mmm, yes. and CIA.
    and also KGB.
     
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    the tp52's motor is probably somewhere around 50hp, same with the 26x. Frank, the reason you fouled someone if that you are incompetent. in that little wind, boats don't move fast, and you should have plenty of time to react and plan ahead. thank god it wasn't much wind, or else you probably would have t-boned someone.
     
  5. marshmat
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    LOL! Guess that explains it all, RThompson. Conspiracies everywhere....;)

    The cradle for one of the yachts at my local marina has, marked on it quite clearly, "Pointy End" and "Blunt End". (No, the boat is NOT a Mac.)

    (For those of you who didn't get it, the point I was trying to make earlier is that certain folks are making a big fuss over comparing things that cannot legitimately be directly compared.)
     
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    usa2 Senior Member

    apparently he had his board up
     
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    in 2 races (is it two?), you have managed to hit the comittee boat, which is an absolute no-no, and hit another boat. Yeah, if I was the PRO (look it up Frank), I wouldn't let you sail because you are a threat to the other competitors' safety and property. Call it a conspiracy if you will, but if I was the commodore of your club, your *** would be kicked out for being an embarrassment to the club. I wish someone had a video of the protest room. I also want to hear your explanation for both hitting the committee boat, and the leward one.
     
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    OK, now I wanna hear this story.... Let's have some tales from the race where this apparent collision occurred!
     
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    RHough Retro Dude

    Hmmm ...

    When did the leeward boat acquire right of way?

    If she acquired ROW from astern and the windward boat could not keep clear the leeward boat is at fault under sec B rule15.

    The windward boat in the photo has the helm hard over in an attempt to keep clear of the boat to leeward. The fact that she was not able to keep clear with her helm hard over is evidence that the leeward boat failed to give the windward boat room to keep clear.

    In the leeward's boat account, the windward boat did not tack into that position, both boats were on starboard.

    There is no way that the windward boat could end up in that position from clear astern, so I have to assume that she was clear ahead when the leeward boat established overlap and acquired ROW.

    Protest to the windward boat, leeward failed to give room to keep clear.

    What idiot would screw up their start by sailing under a boat making leeway?
     
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    Looks like our work here is done. Frank is posting at SA again. All is right with the world.;)
     
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    So basically this whole thing has gone in a complete circle. What a waste of my life.
     

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    Frank had his board up
     
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