TP52s

line-o-reason

Hey I am trying to educate. You just don't see Tripp Gal trying to do so.

The Ring is a series of operas that has all but replaced sailing for sponsorship in Seattle. This can be seen with certainty after the disastrous 2000 Americas Cup where the sailing sport in America was shown to be dirty and unworthy by the design cheating of the Seattle Yacht Club syndicate. Lets give some background.

The McCaws are major supporters of opera and the operas are held at the Seattle McCaw center. The McCaws family yacht was an aviation rescue boat not unlike one I operated. Hence I follow them with some boating interest.

This year the Seattle Yacht club held several events on the motor yachts with the purpose of supporting the Ring, which draws fans literally from all over the world. The series is sold out two years in advance.

Because of the AC scandal and support for the Ring, I do not see the Seattle Yacht Club or Seattle population as prepared to support a big boat series. Sudie Parker and Little Man Hanson have a pipe dream of making that happen in late October of this year. There will be few sponsors interested. There is zipo support. Let me explain my dribble.

The last opera in the Ring Series is called Twilight of the Gods. What we have seen in the Future of Yacht Design thread started by Sudie Parker on Sailing Anarchy and attacks on the most important design out of the US in decades (the Mac26x) is the Twilight of the Big Boats.

It is not surprising that Seattle would be one of the few places in America where the Ring Series is performed. This opera is German and the close minded on the east is least coast and the heart land have been schooled to believe it is anti Isreal because Ride of the Walkures, the song, is from the series and was used by the Hitler war propagand machine. It was also used in the film Apocalypse Now - another twilight of the gods.

Apocalypse Now is the greatest boating film ever made. (Yes boating film – think about it.) It is based on the book Heart of Darkness which itself is a boating book and both describe the kind of sub humans Sudie Parker, Little Man Hanson, and Jim Teeters have shown themselves to be.

I speak generally but by association TP52 owners are of the same mind set. We need them to get out of the way for the good of sport. All real sailors dislike them. They are worshipped only because of fear of something worse – that being right sized engines I suppose.

You do realized that AC boats are engine less. :?: The propaganda machine has the general masses fooled into believing otherwise. It just isn’t believable in a film like Wind that they are towed to the starting line. Hence this is not portrayed in the film. Yet it is true. Watch Wind. Know that the sailing world in the US has not progressed as it should have from this expose. We still live in a close minded society. A society of robots out of Connecticut where free thought is herasea. (the Bush Family is actually from Connecticut - you may chose to connect the dots now - or not. I dare but mention this more.)

We need not be politically correct here. Sailors cross boundaries. It is required to be a Capatain. What say you. Herrasy or Seattle's Progressive Internet and Truth. The World is Flat - a book probably worth reading, just as my posts are.

Have a nice day and get those SSSS registrations in.

Frank Mighetto
Member SSSS
Member US Sailing
*****

 

I don't know about the rest of you, but for me this is just getting better and better.

Talk about incoherent ramblings!

I can imagine the maniacal, high-pitched giggles emanating from this bearded, Howard Hughes lookalike character as he sits hunched over a drool-covered keyboard, punching this raving lunacy in, key by key. Sometimes the monitor is on, and sometimes not.

The room is a basement, no natural light enters.....

All around are half empty food tins, newspapers with bits cut out, many mangy cats, flickering light bulbs. Three or four radios are on, tuned to different stations, (I can't even imagine which ones). There were more, but those that gave out disagreeable words were dismantled to find the nasty 'orrible 'obbitses lurking inside. They don't function any more, proof that he was right.

There's a TV or two, also on, but probably just flickering, waiting for video messages from his friends from "The Other Place"

Any body got anything to add?

 

Well, 101, it was a simple thought. If there were no other boats available, I would go with a Mac in preference to not having anything to sail. There was no mention of any other boat being available (hence the "no boat" part)
Steve

 

90 HP engine? That's not big enough.

Page 20 of the owner's manual says 50 HP is the max. Have you considered JATO?

 

Educate or obfuscate? The subject under discussion was your incompetence that lead to being photographed under tow in perfectly safe conditions. No one cares about your manic Wagner associations or any of the rest of your delusions. Like I said, you just make yourself foolish - that's the entertaining part. Carry on.

 

"The McCaws family yacht was an aviation rescue boat not unlike one I operated."

Mig what do you mean by aviation rescue boat? A boat that would deploy off an aircraft carrier to recover downed pilots? What do you mean?

"Page 20 of the owner's manual says 50 HP is the max. Have you considered JATO?"

Ahh, jet assisted take off. Good stuff.

 

The "aviation" rescue boat was a slender, 3mtrs wide and 20 mtrs long MWM powered vessel that was used by the Germans in WWII to rescue shot down pilots from the North Sea. They could do about 25 knts-30 knts. One of my acqaintances has such a vessel in immaculate condition. It can go out in any sea, almost.

To turn such a vessel into a yacht, looks to me a bit of wishful thinking. The vessel is equipped for its task. No more. A narrow aft, only 2.80 mtrs wide, is what makes the living area. A tiny facility for the crew was in the bow section. Nothing fancy and not worth to make a yacht out of it.
A funboat? Yes. That could be.

 

Sounds like a rigid hull inflatable much like that of the USCG's (US coast guard). All weather, all purpose boats capable of 50+ kts.

 

Don't be blinded by the weird rants of one Mac26 owner. Lots of sensible sailors here are knee jerking in their reaction to the M26.

The M26 will travel competently enough from point A to B using only windpower. This makes it a sailboat. Just because the transom of the M26 was designed strong enough to carry a 50hp outboard does not imply that the boat is or is not a sailboat. All it means is that it can carry a larger auxiliary than most other sailboats.

What of if the owner of M26 that buys the boat with just a 9.9 HP motor? (Quite a few do) Does it now become a sailboat? What if an old O'day gets a stronger transom and a 50HP? No longer a sailboat? There are other sailboat designs with big auxiliaries. For example: the 50HP Telstar 28 tri
http://www.geminicatamarans.com/

or the 100HP Shannon Shoalsailer 35

Add to the mix that the M26 will actually outsail some "pure" sailboats such as catalinas 25s, some Rangers and others. Just search for club racing ratings and check that the Mac has better ratings than quite a few other sailboats. The M26 actually likes wind and handles moderate seas well. It suffers (and benefits) from the characteristics of a very light displacement trailerable sailboat with a high freeboard. It is no racer but it is an acceptable pocket cruiser.

While it may not be the sailboat for you, accept that the M26 sails OK and it fits a popular niche in the sailboat market. Cruising sailboat designers should understand that many sailors would like bigger engines in cruising sailboats. Many sailors (me for instance) have sailed "classic sailboats" through rough chop with high wind on the nose wishing that the little diesel had more punch to make the return trip to the marina a little easier on the crew.

 

JustSailing - All your points have been conceded on this forum many pages ago. What you have here is a bunch of folks who haven't yet tired of watching Frank act like a loony (presumably we all will eventually, possibly to be replaced by other passersby). I've actually seen a 26x sailing and was not impressed. In flat water and ~6knots breeze it made lots of leeway and was easily passed by a J105 sailing under main only.

Refering to your description of motoring into wind and chop, would a 26x handle that any better than the classic? I'd think you'd have to throttle back and would end up with roughly the same situation.

 

Man in Black

With appologies to Johny Cash

Well you wonder why I always dress in black
Why you never see bright colors on my back
and why my appearance seems to have a somber tone
Well there's a reason for the things I have on.

I wear the black for the poor and beaten down
Sailing on the hopeless big boats in Seattle town.
I wear it for the prisoners whoes only crime
is crewing for the Sea Hag and being victems of the
times.

I wear the black for those who've never read or
listened to the words that Jesus said about
the road to happiness through love an charity. Why
you would think he was talking just to you and me.

Well we are doin' mighty fine I do suppose in our
rocket sailboats and Prada cloths. But just so we
are reminded of those who are held back by keel boat
training we oughta wear black.

I wear it for the sick and lonely old for the reckless ones
whos bad Tripp Gal left them cold. I wear the black in mornin'
for the lives that could have been. Each week we lose
a hundred fine men.

And I wear it for another thousand who have died believin'
that the Lord was on their side.

Well there's things that never will be right I know.
And things need changin everywher you go.
But til we start to make them right you'll never see
me wear a suit of white.

It is possible to make things right with US Sailing.
Lets do so. Jesus may love Sudie Parker but none of
the rest of us do - note smily.

Frank Mighetto
True Sailing Anarchist

Preview - the history of the Tripp 26 is "morbidly" fascinating. All the
major players are involved and surprise - she was meant
to kill off the big boats. I do mean to
entertain.

 

Please wise one, educate us. Our knowledge of simple port/starboard rules pale in comparison to yours. And I must say, I would have never thought of paying SeaTow to come get me when I could have sailed my way home. Then again I suppose sailing isn't near exciting enough for the water-skier you were probably towing all day.

 

And allthough the Tripp 26 is a great PHRF B boat she is much more fun as a OD. Never a big boat killer - more like a cost effective "baby" Mumm 30. Please don't even try to compare a Tripp 26 to your Mac 26 - one is a race boat & one is a motor sailor.

By the way - Nice foul on the multihull!

Interesting fact - three members of a TP 52 crew where on the 2003 & 2004 Tripp 26 class champion (including an owner).

 

Quite possible. The M26 has a 5.8' high aspect centerboard and a small sail plan. In 6kts of wind the M26x's skipper needs to set the sails very close to perfect to get the boat moving reasonably. No motion = no lift from the centerboard and lots of leeway as the boat draws only a few inches. With a bit more wind the Mac starts powering up and performs much better. However, it will never beat a J105!
Using either of the available A spins will much improve low wind performance on reaches.


"Refering to your description of motoring into wind and chop, would a 26x handle that any better than the classic? I'd think you'd have to throttle back and would end up with roughly the same situation."

Not in my experience. The larger motor does make quite a difference. Mostly (I think) because it swings such a large (14") 3 blade prop with tons of torque from the Merc BigFoot.

Two examples:
We sailed on two boats an O'Day (?) 28 and a M26X to a nearby island (Block Island). I sailed on the O'Day first then returned on the Mac. The O'Day beat the Mac by about 5 min to the destination with moderate winds. But the Mac was flying an assymetrical and the O'Day just had a large genoa.

On the return trip we were faced with 15-20kts wind on the nose (and higher gusts) and 4-5 foot waves outside the Bay and 2-3 foot chop inside the Bay. The O'Day, a heavier boat, handled the 4-5 foot waves better but had a hard time making progress (both boats were motor sailing). The Mac pounded more as it has a flatter hull. However, the Mac could make much better progress and arrived a full hour and a half ahead of the O'day.

On another occasion we chartered a 44 foot (or 43 can't remember) Hunter in Florida. The boat was not well maintained and did not have a very clean bottom. It also had two small barnacles (we found later) on the prop. At full throttle all it could do was 5kts. It got pretty interesting on crossing Government Cut while doging a huge auto carrier and a Carnival Cruise liner as we arrived at the South Beach Marina. A bit more power would have made the skipper very happy.

 

That does it, you forced me to register. Name one Ranger that will be outsailed by a Mac26x. Given that two companies (both Ranger boats) built different types of boats, I will still race any Ranger against Frank, any time, any where, and still kick his a$$. Boat for boat, none of this PHRF garbage. That includes the 14' !