TP52s

Discussion in 'Sailboats' started by mighetto, Nov 1, 2004.

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  1. Windvang
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  2. marshmat
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    Funny, I never thought having an opaque hull was an issue at all. Isn't that what ports and hatches are for? Would actually drive me nuts, to be honest... couldn't sleep in past 5 am around here with a boat like that!
     
  3. mighetto
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    Scott Tempesta is a friend. All Sailors are friends, regardless of incorporation. Lets note how important the news from Scott that Kahn has sold his TP52. There is no greatness in that design. Only those reluctant to move to sensable designs should crew on such vessels unless of course they are being paid to train. The TP52s are spectator boats and or training boats. They are not boats for greatness. Micky Mouse Boats. Get my meaning.

    Lets wonder about Scott's designating Farr as worst designer but then giving TP52s honerable mention even though most of those are Farr. It does not compute except when you see Farr recomending the fixing of the movable keel on VO70s.

    I will be at the symposium tomorrow. Come with pies. I take them willingly. Then come for a ride on my Mac26x. MacGregors rule.

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    Wow, I will bite. This looks like something from Andromada. The point I was trying to make is that fiberglass is first and foremost glass. If you can not see through it the builder could be hiding something. Like poor construction.

    Yet we have an entire generation that thinks that if you can see through a hull it is a weak hull. Hell 4 or 8 inches of fiberglass is still going to glow. That is the nature of glass. What is this vessel in the photo?

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    What the - thats my upgrade

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    Don't count on it...

    Not all sailors are friends. :p
     
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    I thought we had left this thread to die a quiet peaceful death.
     
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    why dont they delete this thread?
     
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    You are not a friend of SA. Nor are you welcome there. You would think that you would have figured that out after Scot booted your *** out of there.

    Answer us this Frankie: Why would Roy Disney, a man who can, and has, campaigned just about any boat he wants, come out of his short retirement to buy a TP52? No greatness, eh? Training boats, eh? I really want to hear your fabricated, fantasy land answer to this one. You have to be the most mentally ill sailor, strike that (it would be offensive to sailors to call you one), boat owner on the planet. Donald Crowhurst had a better grip on reality than you do.
     
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    Crowhurst...fantastic reference.
     
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    PostScript on TP52s

    Lets follow up on the "success" of the TP52s. I am persuaded that the design is the most unsuccessful of all time in spite of marketing to the contrary and the apparent requirement that all who speak of them precede any discusiion with words like "allways exciting".

    Lets chat a bit about the TP52s from the perspective of seahourse international which this month notes that a race design that takes 15 years before its first major event is to be questioned. That major event has yet to happen but is scheduled for the Med.

    I will note that I was surprised when the two TP52s in the Pacific Northwest did not chalenge eachother in the Swiftsure this year, but rather selected different courses and classes for the race. Both did well. Later I discovered that Glory - the first of the failed design - has been extensively modified. I know her owner has a water ballasted family cruiser so if anyone knows if water ballast is involved in the modifications please state so. There should be more interest in the TP52s just as there is interest in Edsels. These vessels were so hyped
     
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