Tid Bits Of Info On The North American Continent

I was only refering to Chilean score. And we know that there was never a single communist country ever. You know that well. You cannot have communism before socialism.



If we go global capitalists win hands down. They have been killing people from the day one. And they had started long before workers did.

Everyone seems to be conveniently ignoring the fact that capitalism took over from feudalism through a very, very bloody chain of armed revolutions.

 

Sorry, capitalists, not capitalism, as gto correclty pointed out.

 

The fact of the matter is that whether Americans were complicit or not, the brutality and slaughter in Chile was actually perpetrated by Chileans, against their own countrymen -- a fact Masrapido mostly ignores in his rants against the US..

American interests may have used Pinochet, but they didn't create him. He was Chile's own homegrown product, as were his goons.

 

As I prev. posted these type of conflicts involve three seperate parties, two within the country in question that have been slautering each other and their citizens for years over greed and power and stepping into this hornets nest at the request of one of the warring groups is the so called good samatarian nation. No matter what this nation does it's seen as an enemy by part of the population and if it hasn't done it's rersearch or is siding with the wrong group for the wrong reason it will end being the enemy of the majourity. This usually happens when the helper nation has a hidden agenda usually driven by profit and greed itself at the expense of alot of young soldiers getting killed. In alot of these conflicts there is no shortage of blame to go around as the truth of the whole mess is usually a combination of all these factors. In war everybody loses --there never is a happy ending.

 

Capitalists are workers too.

 

I had long taken it as a mater of historical fact that the US had been directly involved in the 1973 Coup in Chile.
As with most things I look into- this is well traveled ground & my understanding was not complete.
The following is a brief summary of findings from the Church Report which investigated this matter:

"The Church report also answered the allegation that the US government involved itself in the 1973 coup:

Was the United States DIRECTLY involved, covertly, in the 1973 coup in Chile? The Committee has found no evidence that it was.[22]

There is no hard evidence of direct U.S. assistance to the coup, despite frequent allegations of such aid. Rather the United States - by its previous actions during Track II, its existing general posture of opposition to Allende, and the nature of its contacts with the Chilean military- probably gave the impression that it would not look with disfavor on a military coup. And U.S. officials in the years before 1973 may not always have succeeded in walking the thin line between monitoring indigenous coup plotting and actually stimulating it.[22]

In all probability, the exact timing of the 1973 coup perhaps came as a surprise to the US. However, it was without doubt a major vindication for the Republican administration. Conrad Black, in his work "Richard M. Nixon: A Life in Full", notes:

After more than thirty years, no evidence has come to light in either country that the United States played a direct role in the overthrow of the Allende government, but it was certainly a geopolitical bonanza for the United States, as Allende was cavorting with Castro with a particularly irritating relish.[25]"

 

bntii, not true. The link was established, and well documented. Some year or so ago, I posted the link to an Argentinian archive, which had published the documents exchange between usa agencies and Argentinian government of the time discussing the financing of the putch by pinochet, homegrown scum and traitor, At the time when the homegrown scum assasinated Chilean general in Argentina, who was not opposed to Allende.

Also, the link between the Pepsi, CIA and kissinger was well documented and proven many times over, including by kissinger himself in a number of occasions.

The thread has been closed since. I am not going to provide these link this time. I found myself being criticised for stating things but NOT providing the links.

So I did. Argentinian archives is a governmental agency and quite reputable source of information.

And then I was criticised for providing "internet" links, and how every fool can have a "site" and provide all sorts of info, etc. etc.

They scream like girls if you don't, they scream like girls if you do. It all comes down to what ideology one uses to brainwash himself stupid and impervious to the facts.

My original point was that usa is forcing the world to believe some sheep rapists from Afghanistan downed the towers and killed 2800 +/- people. And cry over it as if the whole world fell apart.

usa has 300 milions of people and the "tragedy" just has no end.

Chile had 11 millions, and lost 35 000 people by the hand of domestic traitor paid by the cia and usa, that we know now about, and suspect 30 000 more may have been killed by the monster arse-licker servant of the usa. Yet not only we are not crying about it into the world's face, demanding you all join the cry fest, but the world largely knows nothing about it at all.

And even the numbers of our dead are dwarfed by the numbers of dead in Iraq and Afhanistan, to name a few war "theatres" currently under way - occupation forces led by the usa.

I simply reminded people of the REAL carnage that happened on 11 September.

And as we can see, from ensuing debate, some people rushed to denigrate and deny the tragedy.

Is it that only dead usanians count?

Well, they don't. If that is hars to hear for some, I must say: tough.

And a message to all honest and decent people in the usa: take those ******** down and throw them into the prisons. They are killing you, not those toothless sheep rapists in the deserts of Afghanistan. One MUST be an idiot to believe such a preposterous and stupid lie.

 

Thanks Masrapido-

I refer only to the specific actions which led to the actual coup
The case is clear in other specifics of first British then US involvement in the economic and political fortunes of Chile.

I believe most would not question the tragic cost of the proxy wars and tensions which beset every place which fell on the middle ground during the mid 20th century.

Was the ideological banner held over simple economic interests in Chile?
Nationalization of business interests is what I has always heard was the cause of our dislike of Allende.

North- thanks for the excellent post #34

Masrapido- how old are you?

 

Allende was no Salvador.

 

Superpower interference in the internal affairs of another country is always bad. The vote wielding citizens of the interfering superpower, the ones who could put a stop to this meddling, are indifferent or unaware of the consequences of this meddling because that are thousands of miles away , insulated from the terror and fed rosy news reports stating ...Progress is being made !!...The world is a safer place !!!! Taliban on the retreat !!!.... This is was what happened in Chile. Interference in Chiles domestic affairs with the average American unaware of its terrible consequences.

Canada also bears the burden of a neighboring Superpower meddling in its internal affairs, a superpower who in many cases flat out flouts Canadian Law.

 

Yes, such as USSR taking over Poland to Slovenia, and trying to take Greece, involving itself in Korea to Cuba. Very bad indeed.

 

As always. usa was particularly pissed of after the government nationalised us-owned copper industry and banks, and introduced salary reforms that have seen blue collar worers catching up with the managers. Then the health reform, which screwed insurance industry (guess from where...), introduction of compulsory breakfast for children in elementary schools (milk rations foe every child, for example), and land reform. Bloody commie nationalised all land and set the limit to 80 hectares per farmer.

The final straw was staged clash with pepsi cola, which was involed in the attempt from the start through Agustín Edwards Eastman, one of the richest people in Chile at the time. He was close acquaintance of pepsi's boss in Chile, who in turn was personal friends with nixon.

Since you said earlier that you couldn't find anything on even remoe involvement of the usa in Chilean tragedy, I'll do the unspeakable and offer you some links for further reading. It includes cia-s own documents published in 2000, detailing their direct involvement in the war crime against humanity that the usa did in Chile. "we didn't do anything, We only gave them the money..."

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB8/ch05-01.htm
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20000919/01-12.htm

And there's plenty more to dispell the myth about the "innocence" of the usanian nazists regime. Like the admission of truck drivers syndicate which had received 2 millions of dollars in 1972 to go to strike, which had paralised Chile and was ultimately used as an excuse for pinochet, homegrown scum and arse-licker to bring down democraticaly elected government by force.

Now, now... You should know better than asking a lady, no matter how youthful she looks, about her age!

 

And before we all run back to calling Allende names like commie and all that ideological crap, do remember that Soviets did NOT help him because he was NOT seen as a communist in their eyes.

He was a democratic socialist who openly disliked the Soviet crap. As such he was conisdered as South American Tito - a socialist with a strong inclination to capitalism and multiparty society.

Bizarre, no?

 

Im curiuos...Who actually killed Allende ?

 

The rumour has it that he killed himself with a pistol when the army took the Parliament, and he ran out of the bullets for his machine gun.