Third world wooden boat boat-yards?

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  1. szkutnik
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    Build the boat in Poland. It is safe here, not so hot and still cheaper than in west Europe.
    In Asia workers are cheap but managers probably not.
    Please come to me: www.yacht-building.pl
     
  2. gonzo
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    Regardless of some people being isulted by facts, you have more safety by having a boat built in a country with laws that protect you.
     
  3. apex1

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    Absolutely right. And for a novice a very important point.

    szkutnik

    today Poland is´nt that much cheaper than the US anymore. Though well below western Europe. The additional transport, travel and communication will not pay at the end.

    Regards
    Richard
     
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    I don't know the hour price in USA, maybe now is the same like in Poland. In my workshop 15-20 US$.
    But forget about transport, it's nothing in the boat price. 50 feet boat transportation from my workshop to the U.S.,will not cost more than 10 000$.
    This will rise the hour price by 50 cents.
    Regards
    Marek
     
  5. apex1

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    Marek you cannot forget about transport! When 10.000$ would be the cost, you should give up boatbuilding and make a fortune in Yachttransport!
    A 50´boat is between 40.000 and 50.000 US$ from Europe to east coast USA. I pay that every week.
    The wages are below the US at 12 to 15$, but already well above the wages in Turkey (your main competitor).
    And according to your calculation, you would need 20.000 manhours for a 50´boat?
    When promoting your service here, which is not soo popular, do it with a solid calculation, not with wild claims.

    Regards
    Richard
     
  6. szkutnik
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    Yes 54' O.A., 43' on deck 20000 hours
    I build my 40' wooden boat in 11000 hours.
    And about the transport:If you are producer than you have to pay for transport 40000.
    If you have one sailing boat to delivery you can sail it. and 10000$ is with drinks on deck.
    Delivery from Hawaii to France cost 5000$ + fee for the Panama canal and food for 3 person.
    And maybe "ATAVIST" lives on east coast.
     
  7. apex1

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    Of course, I´m a manufacturer of motoryachts and cannot "sail" the boats elsewhere. And for sailing yachts your cost estimation is valid for a crew of friends, yes, but professional crew will charge you far higher than 5000$ for France / Hawaii!
    On the manhour I will not comment further, being a sort of competitor, that would´nt be fair.

    "ATAVIST" ???east coast???

    Regards
    Richard
     
  8. szkutnik
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    atavist = thread starter
    east coast = maybe he (atavist)want the boat on Florida or Caribbean than 40000$
    for tranport to west coast USA does not make sense.:)
    Please become my friend, shake my hand and chill.I invite you for a beer.

    Best regards
    Marek
     
  9. apex1

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    Sorry I made a big mistake! I meant EAST COAST US! We send to Florida usually! I will edit my post above!
    For the beer: thanks, but apart from EB which is somehow drinkable, I refuse to drink the stuff in Poland. And I am cool, no need to chill. Maybe I bring the beer.;)

    Regards
    Richard
     
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    Delivering a boat on its bottom will put the same wear and tear as several years of normal use. It is like getting your Ferrari driven from Italy instead of shipped. Also, low wages alone are not an indication of the total cost of a project. Good management, fast paced workers and locally available materials and fittings are more important.
     
  11. apex1

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    Yes Gonzo, transport on own keel is even worse than in your Ferrari example.

    Not to forget that the fast paced workers have to be skilled, not only willing and relatively cheap.
    There are just a few places in the world where a long tradition in boatbuilding (aka skills), a good infrastructure, reasonable taxes, the availability of ALL equipment and material, low wages and a sufficient reliability of the labourers come together!
     
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    That is when legal protection is important. Getting the boat build where the owner can enforce a contract should be a priority. Fast and sloppy construction is never a good value for the cost.
     
  13. szkutnik
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    More than half of my customers prefer to sail alone home.It is a good way to spend time. Some people prefere the sailing adventure than "several years of normal use" keeping the boat away from the water .

    Some people buy a boat to show how they are rich and others to sail.
    It seems that we have other customers and our discussion does not make sense
     
  14. gonzo
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    Well szkutnik, you can stop posting on this thread then and let us who have similar costumer talk about it.
     

  15. szkutnik
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    Apex1 and Gonzo what are you doing in this thread?
    Are USA and Germany third world? NO, they are not.
    But Poland: No managment,no shops,no availability of ALL equipment and material even nothink to drink. It must be third world.
    I see that you have to take part of every thread on this forum,even if you are off topic.
     
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