The War On Lyme Disease

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  1. SamSam
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    So, I see this "Lyme Vaccine For Mice Could Protect People"
    put out by NBC News, and I read it and it says that this vaccine developed by U.S. Biologic, made in pellets that resemble Kibbles but costing less than dog food, reduces the number of Lyme disease infected ticks by 75%.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/lyme-vaccine-mice-could-protect-people-n28016

    Apparently the source of Lyme disease is mice, and ticks are just the transfer agents. So, if you vaccine the mice, viola...

    If you read the links, this is all touted as a major breakthrough, NBC is involved, the CDC is quoted along with the National Institutes of Health,
    Why not just lace the pelletized food with poison instead of vaccine and kill the mice immediately for a 100% reduction in Lyme disease transmission rate instead of feeding them for 5 years (meanwhile increasing their survival and reproduction rate exponentially) to only get a 75% reduction?
     
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    That's a lot of bowls too, to be constantly filling.
     
  3. gonzo
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    The poisoned mice get eaten and the poison enters the food chain. Eventually, you will eat it too.
     
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    Mice are clever little suckers, that's why they are hard to eradicate.

    If you put poison bait down not all of the mice will eat it, only a few, then they see if the mice survive before some more will eat it but, there will always be some that will not eat it at all.

    You can give them food that is not poisonous for a few months until they trust it, and then poison it. You will get rid of most but not all.

    So by giving them food that kills the ticks and not the mice they have a better chance of getting all of the mice to eventually eat it.

    I saw a documentary on rats and mice and this was the information contained in the documentary.

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    In a confined area both rats and mice can easily be killed with poison when no other food is available. But outside no poison is 100% effective, although the so-called "clever" ones are fooled with Warfarin and similar anti-coagulants that act slowly so they don't know what hit them.

    I live on a small subtropical island littered with brown rats and mice; all attempts to control the population with poison have failed. Only birds of prey and small predators limit the number of rodents.
    Of course there are millions of ticks in the forest around us, but the tourist board's official statements say none of the ticks are infected (no reasons given).
     
  6. SamSam
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    That gave me a good laugh.


    I can see where poison is not a good idea, it would kill a lot of birds, foxes etc also.

    It just seems like intentionally feeding them for 5 years or more would just boom the population, not to mention the cost and logistics of how to do it.
     
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    We cannot eradicate mice or rats...
    They followed us and since then mankind is trying hard, with everything we are able to throw at them to get rid of them. Which had the only effect that their behavior adopted, the animals adopted and they thrived... ;-)
    We are their evolutionary motor, we made them fitter, we are the one who made the best ones survive...
    Do you know that rats have food tasters?

    We cannot eradicate them, with everything we do against them, they grow only stronger and fitter... That's life gentlemen!
     
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    Eat them
     
  9. Poida
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    Eat what the ticks or the mice?

    poida
     
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    All you need is a good recipe..........

    Jeff.
     
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    I don't know what the recipe is, but it looks pretty easy.

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    I think(hope) they're lining up to collect a bounty.

    Maybe ok with gallons of satay.
     
  13. SamSam
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    No, it's food. Google mice on a stick.

    "In Africa, one rarely farts with confidence ..." War correspondent Sam Kiley
     
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    The mice are cooked, dried or salted and and then strung on a stick

    I googled it, the Malawians seem to enjoy them, they look a bit furry/felty, I think I'd prefer mine with the fur scorched off or maybe they peel them.
    Pretty tough country.
     

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    This thread has gone ratty, imo.
     
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