the steamless steam engine

Discussion in 'Propulsion' started by Boston, Apr 30, 2009.

  1. Boston

    Boston Previous Member

    Ras thats a great idea
    I bet they do have schematics floating round somewhere and Ive always been surprised at some of the stuff Ive ended up getting just by asking the right people

    one thing that struck me today was that the Stirling is more readily compatible as a generator power source which puts me right back at the beginning of this hole search for an alternative energy source

    the swash plate cam on Fords Sterling design looks like a nightmare to manufacture

    performance prediction method for Stirling engine

    http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/~khirata/academic/simple/simplee.htm

    as I play with the calculator it becomes glaringly apparent that someones previous statement that the power to weight ratio of the Stirling engine is low
    comes in as a dramatic understatement
     
  2. Boston

    Boston Previous Member

    back to sizing the Tesla turbine for low pressure steam

    ps
    I thought Ford was the anachronism of found on road dead
     
  3. rasorinc
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    rasorinc Senior Member

    Send the letter to the VP of engine technology and engineering and ASK for an engine. You could do the same with Lear and their bus steam engine. Both engines I believe had problems with getting instant pressures up but that is not a problem with boats.
     
  4. Boston

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    the engineless steam engine

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  5. rasorinc
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    rasorinc Senior Member

    Wow.....................keep Posting Everything You Find Bos. Most Interesting Thing I've Seen In A Long Time. SIMPLE PROCESS
    Great find thank you/
     
  6. Fanie
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    Fanie Fanie

    When the **** hits the fan so to speak... I bet there's a surge of power :D
    That sounds promissing, alhough you still need an energy source to make the steam.

    If that engine works then it will have a market for sure. I wonder if it's noisy.
     
  7. Boston

    Boston Previous Member

    I bet its screaming loud
    those bubbles amplifying all that shock wave vibration up through the hull
    which is kinda a cone shaped anyway
    but
    I bet it also would scream speed as well
     
  8. Fanie
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    Fanie Fanie

    You'd have to make quite a bit of steam too...

    Make sure the boat has a large coal draw, furnace, shovel and a boiler.

    You'll have hot water though...
     
  9. Boston

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    and its non recoverable so you have to start from cold rather than from 100C optimal condenser return temp

    say what did I do wrong in this calculation of engine efficiency

    this bit about steam turbines was interesting

     
  10. Frosty

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    That will be a helluva outboard. But yeah but if the water coming out is only 4-5 degrees warmer than that going in where is the expansion to cause thrust that a jet --or underwater jet comes from? Sounds fishy to me.
     
  11. Boston

    Boston Previous Member

    apparently someone makes a Sterling generator

    http://www.dekaresearch.com/stirling.shtml

    and I have a link to a sterling powered car that is supposed to be out in the next few years and the owner of the company has been driving one as a test bed for the last six months or so

    the bit about water temp I dont buy for an instant
    but the design looks like it would work
    I think it would be louder than a cheerleader on prom night
    and eat steam like crazy
    but seems like it would work

    I had an idea instigated by an idea presented to me on a private message that Im dying to relay
    but since it was not entirely self generated I need to hear back from my cohort in crime before I spill
    it seams like a great idea though
    Ill start a new thread with it when its more complete
    B
     
  12. Rangerspeedboat
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    Rangerspeedboat Senior Member

    Instead of that type of stirling engine you could go with a flame eater. Looks like it has more power to me.

     
  13. Frosty

    Frosty Previous Member

    But its just another piston in a cylinder with hot gasses driving it down and round again.

    Cant you come up with something different? We have had this thing for 100 years.
     
  14. Rangerspeedboat
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    Rangerspeedboat Senior Member

    Is there any way to make that underwater jet engine from common supplies.

    I was thinking making it out of copper pipe, brass fittings, and washers.

    Any other thoughts? I would love to have a 30 hp underwater jet engine, I would like to possibly make one smaller (possibly 10hp)

    Is there a place to buy this engine? I did not find one.
     

  15. Boston

    Boston Previous Member

    the hydrodynamics would be somewhat lacking but it would probably work
    although a static test would be advisable before you dump to much cash into the process
     
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