The perfect Passagemaker? (style within this genre)

[apex1]

gettin shape and nice drawings if i may say
here somewhat similar lines on a more gentleman like yacht
without fishermans bow roof, think i saw that 58 for only 1.4 million
smaller they seem to get higher and like to see some of your station drawings
and maybe you want to enlighten me how that steel hull to alu topsides slaming is done
just curious and dont get uptight i'm showing a plastic boat again
its just to discus the diffrences in lines and so

Why should I get uptight? One of the boats I have shown as a example of the "American" style Trawler is plastic cr@p too.

Only 1,4 Mio was meant as a joke? That is a boat far less than half the size of our North Sea Trawler, and coming with boaty, boaty stuff instead of commercial equipment.

The hull/deck/superstructure joint is made in "Triclad", the professional way, what else.

The sketches shown above are just a first proposal, and have to be redrawn. The engine room (as Daniel argued) is insufficient, and some other, minor points have to be changed too. No station lines online, sorry.

Regards
Richard

 

[Milan]

… steel hull to alu topsides …

http://www.dynamicmaterials.com/data/brochures/About Detacoule 2 pages.pdf
http://www.triplate.com/
http://www.triclad.com/

… here somewhat similar lines on a more gentleman like yacht …

That example is maybe more relevant for comparing with a second Richard’s type, gentlemans yacht, then with this North Sea Trawler?

Oops - cross posted with Richard

 

[apex1]

That example is maybe more relevant for comparing with a second Richard’s type, gentlemans yacht, then with this North Sea Trawler?

Oops - cross posted with Richard

Ahh, no, come on! They a centuries away in style.

The Nordhavn is the sibling of this boat, both in style and material (and lack of the performance required here, on top)

 

[yipster]

must say i like for example the sportfisher bow better but to each his own

 

[apex1]

must say i like for example the sportfisher bow better but to each his own

What do you mean by "sportfisher bow" ? Carolina flare?

 

[mark775]

I don't see Yip's post of a boat but there has never been a more retarded design feature than Carolina flare (Edit; IMO).

 

[apex1]

I don't see Yip's post of a boat but there has never been a more retarded design feature than Carolina flare (Edit; IMO).

He loves to hide his links.........

http://www.kadeykrogen.com/

I build some Battlewagons with Carolina flare up to 62ft. But on a real ship, like these ones we are talking here, no, really not!

 

[JosephT]

Late chiming in to this extensive discussion. For me the longer the better (1st proposal passagemaker 80'), but the gentleman's yacht of the 60's isn't bad either.

The only thing I would add, to wreak havoc on the notion of running on motors alone, is to drill a couple of huge holes and install some sails

A motor sail yacht would be truly nice. There are moments when the sound of engines can drive you mad. Catching a wind from here until ??? brings true peace to the mind. A little zen on the foredeck if you will.

Bernard Moitessier on the deck of Joshua

 

[yipster]

He loves to hide his links.........

http://www.kadeykrogen.com/

aye, only not to intrude on your thread to much
here pics of what i very roughly mean by sportfisherman
as opposed to your trawler fisher bow, why on a passagemaker?

 

[Boston]

hey
thats the Orca from the flick Jaws

nice boat by the way

I also liked the tramp steamer from the movie King Kong with Jack Black ( although that second pict is not it )

course I really liked the one I got screwed out of recently

oh well

we now return you to your normally scheduled programing

 

[yipster]

Boston: "course I really liked the one I got screwed out of recently"
we can shake hands, a shared loss is and forgot the rest of the saying

 

[apex1]

aye, only not to intrude on your thread to much
here pics of what i very roughly mean by sportfisherman
as opposed to your trawler fisher bow, why on a passagemaker?

Well, the first picture shows the style of one range of my production boats. These are coastal craft, nothing more.
The second is exactly the North Sea Trawler.
Now, why should I go for less than these well proven designs? And there can be no doubt, that our North Sea Trawlers are really capable vessels.

Joseph,

thanks for your thoughts, but by definition (as the community understands Beebe), a Passagemaker is a Motorboat. Hence we are not discussing motor sailors here. Although the trawler can be equipped with a "coming home rig". The entire list of equipment you find a few pages back.http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/bo...r-style-within-genre-34092-19.html#post402405

Of course, the longer the better. When you read the entire thread (and the three related ones), you will find, that this is exactly my philosophy. But part of the SOR is, that the boat will be handled by a couple only, that lets us end up around the length we discuss here 22 - 25 meter LOA.

Those who fear going to sea with one engine (the right one), should better not go! But that is discussed where it belongs, here:

http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/boat-design/perfect-passagemaker-iii-propulsion-34334-13.html
the rest is found here:
http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/boat-design/perfect-passagemaker-ii-building-material-34265.html
http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/boat-design/perfect-passagemaker-iv-equipment-34464.html

Regards
Richard

 

[Willallison]

If the design is here for our critical review, then I shall just add one more thought to the mix.
There are too many changes in level for my liking. Internal movement from any part of the vessel to another requires traversing a lot of quite steep looking stairways. Having owned a boat like this, I would never have one like it again.
Externally, I'm pleased to see that the situation is different...

 

[apex1]

If the design is here for our critical review,
for what else Will?
then I shall just add one more thought to the mix.
There are too many changes in level for my liking. Internal movement from any part of the vessel to another requires traversing a lot of quite steep looking stairways. Having owned a boat like this, I would never have one like it again.
Externally, I'm pleased to see that the situation is different...

Yes that is not perfect, sure. But I did not want a full deck instead. And there is not much space to accommodate all the required places, and having a completely separated Wheelhouse (which was mandatory for me).

Apart from being a bit of a walk between the three levels (a full three deck boat would be worse), it provides some "Gemütlichkeit", and the cook is at a lower level preparing his meals. (less motion)

So, as always, this medal has two sides.

Regards
Richard
I am open for "better" GA´s within the rough parameter!

 

[RHP]

Here you go Yippee, this is my favourite sportsfisherman:

I thought it was, but it isnt any more.