The perfect Passagemaker? (style within this genre)

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Which one is your preferred style of long range cruiser?

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  1. apex1

    apex1 Guest

    Offer

    The first roughly calculated (not estimated) figures for

    "The perfect Passagemaker"​
    evolved.

    The "Nort Sea Trawler" comes at:

    22,5m Loa
    20,2m Lwl
    5,90m beam
    2,1m draught
    85t displ.
    Hull steel
    Superstructure Aluminium
    Blasted, epoxy primered/fillered and epoxy coated, PU painted
    Armaflex insulation on all metal surfaces
    Jury rig on main mast
    Bowthruster
    Hydraulic stabilizers
    10 tonnes fuel
    4 tonnes water / trim tanks
    2 tonnes waste water / trim tanks
    6 berths in 3 staterooms, one aux. bunk
    Range at 8,1kn 6.500 nm with 15% reserve, incl. aux. systems, average sea conditions
    Range at 9,1kn 5.500 nm with 15% reserve, incl. aux. systems, average sea conditions

    with:
    Single Lugger Diesel 500hp cont. at 1800 rpm (or equivalent)
    speed at S/L 1 = 8,1kn consumption 12,8 Ltr/hr main only, calm weather
    speed at S/L 1,1 = 9,1 kn consumption 16,5 Ltr/hr main only, calm weather
    Nogva / Helseth gear / CPP with manual / hydraulic actuator, Al. bronce prop
    Manual /el. assisted hydraulic steering, tiller at helm seat and flybridge
    2x 12V/350A heavy duty alternators on multi groove pulley
    1600Ah Rolls/Surrette battery bank, deep cycle
    12V/240Ah starter battery
    1 4kVA DC generator.........dropped
    1 7kVA AC generator
    2 Victron Energy Multi Plus / Quattro inverters/chargers/power management units 8kVA
    Victron Energy Isolation transformer 7kVA
    Victron Energy DC distribution
    Commercial grade switch panel, with
    Distributed power bus system with three independent circuits, engine controls excluded
    Workbench with drill and vice
    Complete toolkit of all required sizes
    Centrifugal fuel separator
    2 fuel filters per tank (incl. daytank) 2 filters in engine fuel supply line
    2 oil filters engine mounted, 1 filter on separate bypass
    Air sep with filter
    Hydraulic pump on pto with el. clutch,
    Automated fire fighting system in engine room
    9 fire extinguishers, distributed
    Combined AC / heating system by chilled/heated water with exchangers/handlers in all living rooms and bridge
    2 independent, seawater cooled AC units.....reduced to 2
    1 Kabola central heater
    1 watermaker 4000 Ltr/day
    2 seawater cooled compressor units for fridge/freeze room
    Second helm station in funnel
    1 Lofrans horizontal anchor windlass bow
    1 Lofrans vertical anchor / mooring windlass stern
    3 Anchors in pockets
    1 Hydraulic gangway
    1 Searchlight on wheelhouse
    1 Deck light on main mast
    1 RIB 4,50 m w. 25hp outboard on foredeck
    2 8 person liferafts in canister
    12 PFD`s adult, 6 PFD`s children, 4 lifebelts, 2 life rings, 2 life rings U form with whistle and light
    1 EPIRB mounted, automatic
    1 EPIRB in emergency grab bag, manual
    1 emergency kit in bag (rockets, flares, signal pistol, wt torch, compressor horn, whistle)
    All ropes, chains and fenders
    Exterior and interior lighting LED, incl. nav lights, additional halogen lights in saloon and galley/dining
    All joinerwork, cabinetry, panelling in decent Yacht quality with matt PU finish
    Saloon and dining with Bose sound system, Denon amplifier, CD, no TV included
    Galley complete with 4 burner range, stove, dishwasher, refrigerator
    Laundry with washer dryer
    All household equipment (white ware) top brands, wet: Miele, hot: Gaggenau, cold: Liebherr
    Food storage 6m³ dry, 2m³ refrigerated, 1,5m³ subzero/freezer, insulation Vacuum panels over PU foam

    Bridge and Electronics:
    Inmarsat M phone, fax, data system, or Iridium open port Marine phone
    Complete Furuno Nav Net 3D, with:
    NavNet 3D Black Box MFDBB
    4' UHD Digital Radar Array DRS12A
    Fax 30 weatherfax
    Sirius Satellite Weather Receiver BBWX1
    Navpilot 500
    GPS/WAAS Navigator GP33
    Navtex
    Ultrasonic Weather Station WS 200
    Satellite Compass SC 30
    AIS Transponder with Display - Class A, FA 150 SOLAS
    Black Box Echosounder DFF3
    Separate Furuno FAR2117BB commercial black box Radar, with 6' open scanner....dropped
    Separate Simrad broadband radar
    1 LCD screens connected via ethernet, fully dimmable, 17"....reduced to 1
    Icom SSB IC-M801GMDSS, DSC class A SOLAS
    2 VHF radios IC-GM651, GMDSS, SOLAS
    Engine control instruments VDO classic
    Kobelt engine/prop control heads, bronce
    Isringhausen fully pneumatic, ventilated pilot seat, leather
    Matresses, tableware, bedlinen etc. in average Hotel standard quality.

    TV or music systems are not included, except the specified.

    Bottle of Champaign for christening...............................incl.

    Built entirely in Holland to the well known and admittedly high, Dutch quality standards, CE certified class A, all systems and materials in accordance with GL rules, I can offer this boat at

    2.030.000 € ex yard. specification can be changed without prior notice. See following posts!

    Regards
    Richard
    sure I have forgotten something, that costs extra!
     
  2. hoytedow
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    hoytedow Wood Butcher

    Good selling.
    Build progress will be seen here, I hope.
     
  3. dskira

    dskira Previous Member

    For the type, displacement and spec list you gave the price is extremely good.

    This is something that can interrest a lot of people searching for an alternative of what they see advertised in glossy magasine, meaning researching for a real all weather vessel at an affordable price.
    And not flimsy plastic, real steel.

    Well done.

    Daniel
     
  4. Landlubber
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    Landlubber Senior Member

    "sure I have forgotten something, that costs extra!"

    ....just got ta luv that one mate........always read the fine print eh......
     
  5. wardd
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    wardd Senior Member

    how much extra for the rusty pain job?
     
  6. hoytedow
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    hoytedow Wood Butcher

    What rust?
     

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  7. apex1

    apex1 Guest

    Hydraulic Stabilizers are included!

    I edited the data above accordingly.

    And I corrected the hull data. (0,3kn gone for the stabi´s, sorry)

    Paravanes on request, no mizzen mast.

    Regards
    Richard
     
  8. WestVanHan
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    WestVanHan Not a Senior Member

    Sounds expensive BUT.....

    New plastic Nordhavn 76 = $4,500,000 USD

    2.030,000 Eur @ current exchange rates = $2,700,000 USD
     
  9. apex1

    apex1 Guest


    Yepp,

    it sounds expensive.

    But to be fair, one must say, the NH 76 has accommodation for the National Hockey League, that costs! (every day again)
    The North Sea Trawler just sleeps six, seats six, and drinks 12 (Liter).
    Then, I doubt, the Chinese governement pays for the massive ad´s, more often the customer finds it on the bill. (well he doesn´t find it, unfortunately)

    Ja, expensive...............:D
     
  10. Landlubber
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    Landlubber Senior Member

    Apex, your retail cost for the boat is very realistic, the one I was building was going to cost me almost that much...and it was made in China.....
     
  11. apex1

    apex1 Guest

    It could not be done in Turkey or Poland at this price and quality at present. Being a Dutch built I call it a bargain.
    But the reason why I can do it so cheap does not exist for long.

    Prospective buyers should not wait, this offer does not live long.

    Regards
    Richard
     
  12. Landlubber
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    Landlubber Senior Member

    ...that is sooooo true...it is just the circumstances of the economy now that people can do this, it keeps the yard open and pays the bill, that is all....it would certainly be a serious bargain for anyone with the spare cash.....and it would only appreciate in value as there is no way in normal trading times that you can repeat this deal mate.
     
  13. apex1

    apex1 Guest

    There are several reasons more John.

    One is, the market offers a wide range of surplus or new old stock at present. That makes it possible to install equipment worth north of 300.000$ as standard, when 50.000 would be common.
    It does not harm to install a 5year old Kobelt engine control lever which was just sitting on the shelve. But it hurts to buy exactly the same item at 5 times the cost, or replace by a cheap Morse.

    But we have already lost some items! (the offer was 8 days old when I posted the spec.s)
    I edited the post.

    The Navnet system will be the next item to get lost, I guess. Replacing it is about 50.000$ additional cost.

    But that is a open market, conditions can change daily until agreements are closed.

    Regards
    Richard
     
  14. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    You can only edit that post for 7 days. So better add a disclaimer that things can be changed without prior notice. You can refer to post #281 and #283 to explain.

    What are you doing to marketing this boat?

    Good Luck!
    Angel
     

  15. apex1

    apex1 Guest

    Nothing, just dead nothing!


    Thanks, you are right about the disclaimer.

    Richard
     
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