The perfect Passagemaker? (style within this genre)

For coastal cruising, I always admired the Fantail vessels of the Pacific Northwest. Particularly the rugged look of those built for commercial use, like survey or patrol work in BC and Alaska, before WWII.

 

That was the question Easy,

which style do you like most. Nothing else.

And I am in the business for long enough to know what sells in the end. It is not the "coming home rigg" or other hidden features, it is the styling of the vessel.

Now that we have found what suits the market best, we have to focus on the best way to make all the required capabilities come true.

And for a good reason I opened 4 threads to discuss the different trades we have to cope with. (there will be one more soon)

Regards
Richard

 

Are you sure of the 1920? Perhaps the hull, but the round edge of the deck was implemented in the sixties for the lifeboat, and surely the super are not from that date. But she can had a makeover during her life.
But I can be wrong. If you have more info's, I will be please to read about.
I am a fan of old vessel of any kind, and my curiosity as no limit.
She still quite a site.
Anyway thank you for posting the picture.

Daniel

 

Theodor Heuss 1957

 

A&R designed and built if I remember well.
Beautiful, so purposeful.
Daniel

 

No, this was "Schweers Bardenfleth" (went out of business a few years ago after building "Senses"), don´t remember the designer.

But as far as I know she was the first self righting of her kind. Her later sisters have proven to which extend, surviving inversed grounding in heavy ground seas with minor damage.

purposeful, that is it.

 

Hmmm - but do you think we have, really?
A poll of just 68 people is hardly what one would call comprehensive market research. Especially when you factor in the 'kind' of people who contributed to it. We are hardly what I would imagine to be representative of the passagemaler buying public...

 

Yes, she was built in 1927, self righting. She saved 332 people during almost forty years of active duty. She is 18.8 meter long, 4.05 meter wide, draft 1.45 m, displacement 50 ton, 2 six cylinder Gleniffer diesel engines.

Here are few photos. I will search more info.

 

‘Insulinde’ (posted here by Milan) was self righting since 1927 (year of build).

L 18.8 m - B 4.05 m - D 1.45 m - Displ. 50 ton.

Her, also self righting, sister ‘Neeltje Jacoba’ was build in 1929.

Here more info in Dutch about ‘Insulinde’ (1927 - 1969) and ‘Neeltje Jacoba’ (1930 - 1969) . . . (years in service)

This thread is in real danger of getting an 'old rescue lifeboat thread' ... in that case the Passagemaker will be OT here . .

So, if you don't like this info here, no problem to remove this post . .

Good Luck!
Angel

PS - Cross posted with Milan.

 

The purposefulness has a beauty all its own, no?

 

but quantity has a quality all it's own

 

Self-righting and seaworthy these boats might be, comfortable I doubt. They kind of remind me of a mini-submarine.

 

What do you think will be the target group for the boats we discuss here? Schoolgirls?
The reason behind these boats IS speed, you otherwise could stay with a sailboat, which almost all of the addressed clients have already. On a sailing boat they must accept speeds around 4-6 kn for entire passages, with a well designed motoryacht we can achieve 8-11 easily and economically.

Going slow is never what the "old salts" prefer, quite the opposite! Faster is safer, hence these designs with slender hulls and minimized accommodation.

And the last entry, Tads PML 74 has a jury rig, as the Trawler will most likely have one.

The "poor mans passagemaker" is a bit insane, sorry! There is no poor mans Rolls Royce, or executive jet! You either have the money to afford purchase, cruising and running expenses, or you have not. When the budget allows for cruising the world on a relatively decent boat, you find it here already. If not, you don´t find it (or develop it) elsewhere.
Going smaller is not the solution as we all know. There is no passagemaker below 20m which would satisfy the requirements of a skilled sailor, especially in terms of seakeeping, speed and comfort, all being a safety issue first!

I hate this envy driven and premature way of thinking. "When I cannot afford it, it is a bad thing". "And the industry should provide something similar at a fraction of the cost"

And now stop hijacking this thread please! It is really not necessary to discuss economical propulsion, because these boats here are ALL designed exclusively around that target and nothing else. And we must not discuss jury riggs either, because we HAVE them already included in the designs where it fits.

This all is part of the related propulsion thread.
http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/boat-design/perfect-passagemaker-iii-propulsion-34334.html

Here we talk STYLE..............
No offense intended BTW...

Right Will,

I don´t call that representative, but it is very much indicative. Just the fact, that the contributors here are more knowledgable than the average, makes these results valid to some extend. We are much, much closer to the target group here, than we would be, asking on a boatshow!

Regards
Richard

 

however great they are i dont think even a modern resque boat be the best style passagemaker
style should follow function from the sor for seastates, tradewinds, currents etc