The motorsailer: Not good at anything or just a motorboat with sail?

Discussion in 'Motorsailers' started by gunship, Oct 23, 2010.

  1. michael pierzga
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    michael pierzga Senior Member

    And Teddy Driver..you are correct. Bigger the better...particularly water. Water is everything and dont for one minute believe you can solve it with a watermaker. Watermakers need clean seawater to purify, are high maintenance and consume energy . energy is a viscous circle that requires fuel and machinery to generate. . That fuel is better burned charging batteries , storing energy for the next day and performing mission critical tasks. . Go huge water capacity and perhaps 500 miles range on the fuel side. Water capacity so big that you might even be carrying a temp, non standard tank right in the bow of the yacht, a very unattractive place to haul half a ton of weight offshore, but doable inshore. The object is to be autonomous for two weeks. Diverting course to a harbour with available water may cause you to miss a weather pattern or a particularly interesting island . A yacht who relies on a watermaker and small tanks, will face great inconvenience when the simplest generator, electrical or watermaker issue sidelines the unit
     
  2. apex1

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    I wonder where you collect all your false information. Is that all in your Penthouse magazines?

    A watermaker purifies any water, not only clear seawater! It lasts long and is reliable when serviced regularely. None of mine ever failed, and I am using them for over 30 years now on my yachts from 50ft to 50 meter.
    In fact it is the perfect tool to balance fuel consumption and have a proper trim on long ocean passages.
    The autonomy of a blue water cruiser should be closer to 2 month´s instead of two weeks. Better three month.
    Except for lake Tanganjika and lake Baikal, you would be fine with some hours, though.

    Really entertaining the discrepancy between your "advice" (which was not given by so far) and your real life cruising grounds (if any).

    Better go back in your bunk and focus on Penthouse!:D
     
  3. Stumble
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    There is no way larger tankage is a better solution than a watermaker for a cruising boat. Yes they are a maintenance problem, but most of that can be cured by doing the preventative work necessary.

    We carried 500 gallons of water, and 500 gallons of diesel on a 54' sailboat for years. When anchoring off for sometimes months at a time that diesel almost always was consumed making water. We figured out that for every gallon of diesel we carried the generator+watermaker allowed us to make 16 gallons of fresh water.

    Not to mention that in many ports water was both expensive and of questionable quality. Meaning that we routinely would run the watermaker even when in port instead of relying on the water supply say 100 miles up the amazon river, where the 'fresh' water looked like brown soup, and giradia, and other parasites were common. Yes we used a lot of filters, but after 6 weeks none of us had come down with somach illnesses. In fact the water maker here was producing water from some of the worst possible conditions you could imagine (of course there wasn't any salt though), and the only problem we had was that if we didn't run everything through a pre-filter it would clog filters very quickly.


    Michael,

    I don't understand where your knowledge comes from, but most of it sounds like the prejudices that MIGHT have been true twenty years ago. Very little sounds like current day knowledge.
     
  4. michael pierzga
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    Well, its not common for the yachts I sail to anchor off for months at a time. Normally the entire yacht is running "full on" for the complete duration of a cruise. As in seven days a week for over a hundred days at a time. the machine room is never cool. Every hour on any machinery must be well spent. Running the generator for hours and hours to make water is energy and machinery wear poorly targeted. I can simply sail to the nearest port , fill up, buy tomatoes, fresh bread then head off again. . Remeber, When a generator is energized, great demands are put on its output. Its always preferable if making water is very low on the list of demands. By the way..500 gallons of water is plenty for a 54ft yacht. Your designer did his homework.
     
  5. TeddyDiver
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    TeddyDiver Gollywobbler

    Oh yes there is.. The idea is to have a huge water tank in the keel, fill it with wine bags (throw the box away) when the tank is full close the hatch and fill the rest with water (you got to brush your teeths too don't you)
    :D
     
  6. gunship
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    gunship Senior Member

    Now Beer (and wine for those so inclined) tanks is another matter! :D
     
  7. michael pierzga
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  8. gunship
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    gunship Senior Member

    I think the national liquor company used to take cheapo wines from australia in tankers, and bottle them up at home. This was like back in the sixties or so, when people scarcly cared about wine up here.
     
  9. apex1

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    You never have it in small coins, have you?
    NEVER have YOU ran a yacht to such extensive cruises. Not you.

    All just wishful thinking and excerptions from the wrong comics.

    And why is your engine room never cool? Just a few posts back you tried to teach us sailing. Now you make clear you don´t sail.
    Can´t you at least remember your lies from yesterday, before dishing out other lies which contradict you?

    Ahh...no yacht, well, what we expected.

    Where did they tell you that?

    850€ per month is a fee for a 22x6 m berth in Barcelona, about 100€ a overnight fee for such boat.


    You are a ignorant

    Bigmouth
     
  10. pool
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    pool Junior Member

    splendid!
    just make sure to get your valves labeled correctly - otherwise you'll be showering with hot vino tinto on the swim step!
    for the volume-challenged boats, rum might be an option.
     
  11. rickinnocal
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    Guinness used to (still does?) ship beer from Dublin to Liverpool for bottling. I did two runs once while their in house tanker was in the yard. It was loaded before fermentation was finished, so after two runs we had over a foot of yeast sludge in the bottom of the tanks. TG for stainless steel chemical tanks... Would have been a nightmare cleaning mild steel from petroleum to beer.

    Richard
     
  12. TeddyDiver
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    TeddyDiver Gollywobbler

    That would be something :eek:
    With rhum there's a bit of a setback without a greenhouse. Some fresh limes and herba buena is essential..
     
  13. apex1

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    Cannot see a severe danger in that, given the tinto is of reasonable quality and, of course, DRY....:)
     
  14. PAR
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    PAR Yacht Designer/Builder

    Thank you for that Richard, it was well received . . . :D
     

  15. ancient kayaker
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    ancient kayaker aka Terry Haines

    Hmm ... wine is lighter than water, isn't it? Should be able to fill the buoyancy tanks as well - give them something to do! Make that Champagne, then the bubbles will augment emergency floatation.
     
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