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Discussion in 'Press Releases' started by AmnonMikeCohen, Feb 2, 2008.

  1. ratrace2
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    ratrace2 Senior Member

    Expository writing 201: example of factual argument with supporting evidence.

    I would send this guy (len olen) money..................:) :) :)
     
  2. the1much
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    the1much hippie dreams

    its funny that a business guy wants "verifiable" worth from perspective investors,,yet cant even prove its been seen tested or anything,,,,you do get papers after ya tests that verify your results, and doesnt give ANY INFORMATION about your invention.,,,and ANY person that is legit would know this,,,so show VERIFIABLE results,,,i know more millionaires then i do boats ;)
     
  3. masalai
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    masalai masalai

    I do not know snake-oil? coconut oil makes a good fuel for compression ignition engines. Do you know anyone who would like to participate in helping me to grow and produce same in a tax-haven Pacific paradise - Vanuatu?

    I am serious.... My interest is to assist in economic development with minimal adverse social impact on the local community lifestyle. A place where I can retire and remain totally (well almost) self sufficient..
     
  4. marshmat
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    Not sure if you're kidding or confused, masalai....?;)

    (For reference: snake oil salesman = con artist)
     
  5. Kay9
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    Kay9 1600T Master

    Im all for snakes being oiled...Nothing so sad as a non-slippery snake.

    K9
     
  6. ratrace2
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    Plagarism is a serious charge

    Mr.Cohen,
    When you started this thread you posted 3 pictures. One of those pictures has your company name "Superior Hulls inc." pasted, or inset into the frame. The picture I am referring to is of, what looks like to me, a 200' Destroyer Hull. I have examined this photo and found that the date is December 7 2000.
    Also, I find in that photo that a number of numerical representations are added by the test facility. One is the time, and the Hull number of the Test Tool (Hull). Now, and this is my point, I see no representation, other than a cheap photoshop cutout of your company name in the original data set as recorded by the test facility computers.
    In addition, in your testimonials, you referr to things like "humps" as an analogy for wakes and surf and waves. Your automobile analogy for what should be boating Jargon leaves me to believe that you have no knowledge of hydrodynamic qualities.
    Also, your failure to provide on shred of factual evidence that anything tangible exists leads me to belive that you have less than good intentions when you "pitch" your "non-existant product.:mad: :mad:
    Therefore, would you, Mr.Cohen, like to provide the name, location, and phone number for the test facility that conducted the tank test on the hull that you have represented as your product data?
     
  7. Lin Olen
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    Hello K9. A prop connected to a motor has much drag whether rotating or stationary, but its an entirely different matter when it is free wheeling, the drag is very low unless you apply some braking. Any propeller can be coupled to a flywheel on a freely spinning shaft and get good results with a sailboat, but much better results if it has a coarse pitch and symmetrical blade sections. Dont knock it before you try it. It compliments Tuned Hulls and Rotary Sails superbly!
     
  8. Lin Olen
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    Hello Fast Fred.
    Exactly! This puny radio technician built his Tuned Hull and won a public rowing race against a professional net fisherman / boat builder... He didn't like losing as he always won before. I offered my boat to DeHavilland Marine who offered 22,000 pounds for a car-toppable design, but they ridiculed my lack of a university degree and gave a professional the job. This was the tinny that I held with a 5 HP angainst their 10 HP... Revenge is sweet, but not profitable.
     
  9. AmnonMikeCohen
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    AmnonMikeCohen Inventor

    To all the wild wise guys and less respectful members - Happy Boating -

    A negative storm made of many mixed winds-makers with bad English and poor respect has hit this calm thread of goodwill sharing at this website - yet it is very easy for me/us to survive this small irrelevant storm and let these wind-makers have the fun they/you like to have, and I wish you all happy and safe boating.

    None of these :p :D :p are :cool: or have any good :idea: input - so, just enjoy venting yourselves, while proving that all I have and am and will be sharing, is wise and true, representing truth you and others may choose to doubt, and where yet others do choose to appreciate, respect, ponder or wonder about this information sharing; and by these :p comments that you may be proud of, you are all demonstrating that this is your way in life, and it is all within your freedom to choose and good fun for me also.
    I thought and still trust that I am mostly in the company of mature respectful international professionals, and where also, there are many more childish disrespectful people having fun for free, so please take note, that your written words represent yourselves mostly and not the truth within this thread of goodwill sharing of news which are true and facts (Tested on open waters and in IMD Tow-Tank, documented, demonstrated and trusted by world class scientists from USA ONR and serious business persons) if you read all the words I have shared here @ BDnet - as my written words represent me and my company and the invention plus new technology and science resulted from my original discovery - and as other good members whom are more supportive and helpful members, theirs words and positive actions represent them also - so we shall let time and future be the ultimate demonstration of who is to be :) and who is to be :( & :mad: or :rolleyes: while the :idea: is ;) at the maritime industry.

    I still have to clean up my old website and keep employing simple terminology most people can understand, and also do more important more constructive and more fun things; but have taken time to also answer your distrust and cynical approaches to a seriously beneficial opportunity to know of a technology seeking to merge and be of use for more then its successful inventor - who is still learning English...
     
  10. ratrace2
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    Mirror mirror on the wall

    Oh come come now Mr.Cohen, Your English is very, very good: when you want it to be.
     
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  11. Kay9
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    Lin I think your cross posting. Im not nocking anything. Im just very much under the impression that a prop in the water creates drag, and a spinning prop creats more drag then a stopped prop. I might be wrong. I often am.

    Sorry Lin and I dont mean to hijack and we will move this back to the correct forum.

    K9
     
  12. AmnonMikeCohen
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    AmnonMikeCohen Inventor

    Ok Sorry For My Poetic English

    SORRY Mr Ratrace2 that we are not on the same thinking thread, but this whole tread is to share what I can and not what I can not yet share - so without our missing the communications or challenging points of what I have invented and why it is not shown, the simple reason, no one other then me has put the time and investment into the invention, so it stays mine and installed on my prototypes, for patenting and business development reasons only, and not for personal pride or B.S, as in Bull Crap or Snake Oil Sales or proposals from Kenya and other such accusations I already had to face here.

    So please not good man, that the information is reserved for Prospecting Investors and Partners who can be part of the introduction of the technology - and for such cases, I have all the facts ready - but in public these are not to be shared yet, only in secured direct private communications with records of such communications which are legal and binding as good patents and good business are. Now why is this not simple to accept? I have been living with this patiently for more then 30 years and may die with it in my head and what is stored in my office and computers and on the www as well as in my yard. sure you can respect that I am not playing hide and seek or lying about all that I am writing about without apparent reason! I am not stupid and have no devious intents, only asking for help in locating the proper investment capital needed for securing and publishing the knowhow I have developed and am ready to share in my old age.

    Let us hope, I can show what I have created, sooner then later at this forum!

    The CNRC IMD (Institute of Marine Dynamics) in Newfoundland of Canada, is a respected marine testing facility, and the USA ONR (Office of Naval Research) is also a very respected institution, and its Chief Scientist for Displacement Hulls' knowhow, is also the adviser to NATO, and he was with me on this 12 feet boat, himself, and was intrigued with my invention, and he still is holding one of my 3 copies of the documented study, which he refused to give back to me, and I have not seen them make use of this without my permission, yet, and while it is my intellectual property which is also recorded in the USA PTO (Patent Office) since April 1991.

    So you may see, it is not simple to have such important knowhow a successful inventor like to share with the markets for the invention - just because it was invented here and not there, if you know that this means - who is the owner of the invention and who is controlling the rewarding financial results of such work - and why the mariners - people like the ones visiting this website, do not get access to market ready products and services.

    :!: Do you know, that Microsoft has a policy of not working with inventors, and making all they can make from what they can own - which is why we have poor computers and continuous costly problems in the industry - just so to keep maintaining control and domination over the industry (And they have invented nothing in real terms?!
    :!: Do you know, that USA and CANADA were leaders of innovation in the industrial world for years and now we have all lost this leadership to short term greed and short sighted investment mentality.
    :!: Have you noticed we have lost the trust we use to have in each-other, and the will to help and look beyond self survival in an eroding economy the 3rd world now owns?!
    :cool: There are ways of old which are better then the new ways we have come to accept as the way to succeed in life and in person - and I hold to these time tested historic ways of successful personal and public conduct - but mostly to good business ways where real gains are archived within a win win win win solutions (Where all private and public participants win)

    Got to go to to sleep, as my wife is there already.

    Amnon (Ami Cohen)

     
  13. kengrome
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    Ammon, you keep referring to all the stuff you are "sharing" with us, yet I have seen nothing of value so far. Where are the confirmable facts?

    It seems you think we should just take yor word for everything, but we will never do that. We are mostly intelligent people here who can smell a scam a mile away. Scammers always behave the same so it is easy to spot them.

    You've been asked for a patent number but you have refused to provide it. You have been asked for details about your testing and you have withheld this information as well.

    When are you going to provide some answers to our questions, as well as references that we can check and confirm what you are telling us? Since you are not yet willing to answer our questions, perhaps it is best that you just "go away" until you are ready to do so.

    P.S. I did a google patent search and there were only 5 patents applied since the year 2000 by a person with the name "Cohen" and with the term "boat" somewhere in the text of the patent -- and none of them appear to have anything to do with your so-called invention:

    http://tinyurl.com/2rxnda
     
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  14. ratrace2
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    Are your pants on fire?????????

    :p
    Mr.Cohen,
    You say that, " my intellectual property which is also recorded in the USA PTO (Patent Office) since April 1991."

    So, what is the patent number??????????????:p
     
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  15. AmnonMikeCohen
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    AmnonMikeCohen Inventor

    Please read the Threads already @BDnet, to have the answers you are seeking

    :!: You are asking the questions already answered at this website, and more so at my private website, and you keep insulting my honest responses and statements, by being lazy to read all the information already posted and explained.

    Let me explain in a simpler metaphor of family life we all have and share, because you may not have professional inventing background or understanding of the IP industry - and you may not have looked at my website where all I can legally put on the www is posted there, as well as stating that no confidential or trade secrets are to be seen by the public, as it is against the commercial interests of my company's ownership of the technology - as I reserve the Patenting rights -

    The simple way I can put it, is that I am not prostituting my brain child as I would not prostitute my own child. It is simple parenthood we all agree with; so why keep prying on me to show you what is reserved for the contributing investor and/or valued partner. The investor and partner will like to have a virgin idea and not a prostituted one.

    Lets try another example. Would you give me (Not just show) the keys to your boat, car or home - just so that I can approve or accept your ownership of a home or a car or boat you claim to own? Why, who am I to make use of your property, even if it is yours!?

    Lets try another truth. A foolish inventor may come up with a foolish invention. I am not a foolish inventor!

    Lets look at another fact. You think and write that I am not honest, but I am, and in my books, dishonest people do not believe others, and seldom if ever trust the truth. This is why the 10 commandment were given almost 4,000 years ago by an honest man who knew this fact and the other 9 you may have come to know. I follow all 10 and go yet beyond these...

    Lets look at the last point I hope. If my invention is not an invention, it does not exist, there are no records of it, it does not work, it has no value, and I am a 'snake oil salesman' and so on and on - and yet, where I am not asking for money or anything from you or the readers, other then telling A Truth as News for the industry, news which may help the proper investor or partner seek the facts you are after, which raises the questions of why do you need to approve my truth?! And why should I get your approval!?
    "If there is no truth in my words or work, this is a real problem for me, only and mostly me and myself, and no problem for you or anyone with no risk of being lied-to or is subjected to being exploited - so why do you bother me with distrust and insults? No one gains if I have a nothing, simpelst facts of life, and I have a real problem lying to myself first of all, and what do I gain from lying to you or the other readers on this website!?

    :idea: Please, lets not waste the good valued space this respectful forum grants us, thanks to its supporters, and focus more on helping and sharing truths and facts as well as knowhow; and let most members decide for themselves what to do with or how to take, trust or mistrust, my posted thread of good news for the maritime industry.
     
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