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Discussion in 'Sailboats' started by pbrito, Sep 15, 2003.

  1. pbrito
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    pbrito New Member

    Dear friends,

    I have just arrived to this wonderful site... and I am very happy to find so many enthusiastic members!!
    I am a Sea Scout Leader from a Sea Scout Group in Portugal and a member of the National Sea Scout Team. We are facing a new challenge that is to find a new sailing boat to fulfil the following items:

    - small sailing boat (4-5 meters long);
    - to be handled by young scouts (aged 10-16 yrs);
    - to take a 6 scouts-crew and their camping equipment;
    - to make a week-end cruise.

    We have a small sailing boat that we adopted similar to a Dot or Piaf class, aprox. 4,10 m long, but no good for what we are looking for (picture attached).

    Does anyone have some suggestions or ideas?
    Thank you!
    Yours in sailing,

    Pedro Brito
     

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  2. Andy
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    Andy Senior Member

  3. gonzo
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    gonzo Senior Member

    Are you planning on building these boats?
     
  4. Tim B
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    Tim B Senior Member

    Andy, a great general boat at a quick glanse. Looks good too.

    Several questions arise, for example, is the boat for sea-sailing, or inland waters (or both)? As Gonzo suggests, do you have anywhere to build? You'll need a double garage or bigger if you want that route. You'll probably need 5, maybe 6 meters length, it's tight getting four people into most 4 meter boats. Having said that, if you used a keel, you could spread the crew more evenly, so not need too much length. Storage is obviously a question, what size and weight is the gear? (length, width, height and mass). If we know a design displacement, then we'll beable to take a shot at suggesting, or designing the right boat.

    Cheers,

    Tim B.
     
  5. gonzo
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    gonzo Senior Member

    Six people with gear would be too tight in 4 meters. I agree that 5 to 6 is better. A longer boat would have more reserve floatation too. The most carrying capacity for the draft is with a flat bottom skiff. Also, they are easy and cheap to build.
     
  6. Tim B
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    Tim B Senior Member

    A flat-bottomed skiff you reckon?

    Oh well, have a look at this,
    Length 5m
    Beam 1.5m
    Loaded Displacement 600Kg
    Unloaded weight 220Kg
    Keel bulb - 100Kg

    Cheers,

    Tim B.
     

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  7. gonzo
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    gonzo Senior Member

    For a keel boat a flat bottom doesn't work all that well. However, I thought they were looking for a centerboarder since the intended use is camping. The scouts would need to beach the boat to unload the gear. My ideas were along the lines of a sharpie.
     

  8. Tim B
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    Tim B Senior Member

    I did toy with the idea of a centerboard, but the keel gives a more permissive lateral loading capability, especially useful if you need to stow gear etc. That said, I could always redraw it. It is also benificialwhen anchored, which saves the job of beaching what would be a hevy boat when loaded. My loading estimation is 480Kg for crew and gear. In a five meter keel-boat, there is space for a small inflatable for use as a tender.

    Anyway, don't let that put you off, gonzo, I'd love to see what you'vecome up with.

    Cheers,

    Tim B.
     
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