Step by step to design your boat!

Discussion in 'Software' started by apex1, Jun 15, 2009.

  1. lewisboats
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    Oh...just in general...I wrote a treatise...erased it and didn't have time to write another and said Merde...typed it to ;). I had to go to the other job. Good to see someone caught me on it. Didn't mean "attack" just put off a bit when I suggested that there was more to DESIGNING boats than Modeling a boat shape. I think the Subject of the thread should have been "Step by Step to MODEL your boat! (in freeship)." Then the Design aspect could have been separated from the drawing or utilization of the program to draw. Hell...I could use Free!Ship to draw a chair or a house or any other surface if I felt like it. A comprehensive Tutorial on Freeship would be a boon to all I think but to imply that by learning to use the program you are designing a seaworthy craft...well that kinda threw me off my granola a bit. Should we start again with a more apt title?
     
  2. apex1

    apex1 Guest

    Thank You Lewis for clearing that!
    I think there have been so many comments pointing towards the restrictions any software has, that we could leave it as it is. Just adding further steps, tweaks, or just own models. Each as one likes.
    What do you think?

    Sibiriak do´nt call me *******, I know both my parents!.......personally...

    All others: thanks for being pardoning!**

    Regards
    Richard

    **except this one of course:
    which was found in the negative "feedback" corner. Yeah, plumb jokes travel easy, for irony one needs a functional brain...
     
  3. bdVlajko
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    You should have said:
     
  4. apex1

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    Welcome here Professor Vlajko!
    You´re in good society, it becomes more and more en vogue amongst the newbies, to start the first post with a offense.

    But do´nt mind, even the shabbiest comment keeps the thread alive.

    Thank you
    Richard
     
  5. bdVlajko
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    Well this may be my first post but I've been around this forum for a while ...

    I am one of those amateur newbies who'd like to design their own boat but I was not hooked upon your "tutorial". It is a pity that there is no such (serious) topic and it is a shame that the only one was actually a joke. This forum is not visited only by professionals - on the contrary, I am sure that most of the visitors are people looking for some knowledge.

    Like many others, I am convinced that amateur can design and build his own boat. ****** will probably build something that looks more like a floating can then a boat, but if one is really serious about it, he can figure out the basics of boat design and design a boat that will perform just fine.

    One does not need to be Einstein to learn to build 5-6 meter boat and it would be a great help and time saver if you guys help us out by putting up such tutorial. Not just to laugh at us.
     
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    Start your own thread setting out what you would like to achieve with a boat and I am certain that some helpful folk will make the effort to fill in the information you would like to have to make your journey.

    Rick W
     
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  7. apex1

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    This IS a serious tutorial! And by no means a joke, or kidding.:!:

    Though there is a sometimes ironic attitude, several members have used it to make their first steps with this software! Some of them are professional boatbuilders (at least three as I know), and one of them a boat designing engineer. Not to count the many amateurs. Try it you´ll see it works!

    So, there is nobody here laughing at other members.
    When you re-read the thread you may notice that.

    To your opinion of a amateurs ability to "design" a boat, be assured you can not! And that is not my personal opinion, you will find similar comments all over this thread, and all over the Forum, made by experts.
    One may be able to draw a nice looking boat, using this, or other software, but without a deep understanding what is behind the lines and figures, the result is GIGO, worthless. PERIOD:!:

    And to your statement:
    YOU are obviously not amongst them? Or how do you expect to receive proper assistance, when you start with offending those experts you like to ask?

    There are so many universities worldwide doing that to the highest levels, enroll at one, sure you must not be Einstein. But do you expect one of us is giving a course in Naval Architecture here?

    If you feel it a pity that here is no such tutorial (except this one of course), you may present us one, as Rick proposed!
    Be prepared, to spend some time to get it right! And be prepared that some nasty ******** will not ask how many evenings you worked for free, to provide something helpful, when they pee on it.

    Now, tune your behaviour, bury the hatchet, and ask your questions, some of us are willing to advise without sarcasm. (I can hardly believe I wrote that):D

    Richard
     
  8. Fanie
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    Fanie Fanie

    Ta raaaant.... Ta raaaant.... Ta rant ta rant ta rant.... Rick to the reeeescue :D

    Good idea Rick. I like people who have the guts to buld their own, providing they do the research and if it's not like the bath tubs Manie built to now :D

    I had a bit of thought about Richard the Ape x's misleading thread here. He is right, it is going to be a couple of year's thread to get the novice up to speed - if they study after hours as well and do research, and not to mention anything practical. Not everyone knows how a screw driver works, hard to believe but true so not every one should build a boat.

    Nice to know at least he's got a bit of humour, distorted as it may :rolleyes:
    Now we know we should not ever believe ANYTHING he posts untill confirmed by someone else :D

    He he he... :D
     
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    Fanie Fanie

    Wanna bet ? Oh but you're joking again OF COURSE :D

    Strong German accent coming through there...
    Never ever underestimate somone else.
     
  10. apex1

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    No distortion, no Universe Fanie....

    Within the distorted quadratic anti-prisms of cesium atoms of the rod-shaped building blocks, there are two ozonide ions that come as close as 2.753(8) Å to each other via their central oxygen atoms. The partially hydroxylated closo-[B12H12n(OH)n]2 (n = 1 - 4) anions are distorted with respect to their parent closo-[B12H12]2 anion and exhibit BB and BO bond lengths that are markedly deviated.

    All clear now? And thanks for the ........ louse:D


    Ok let´s say I cannot!:rolleyes:
    After some 30 years of manufacturing a few thousand yachts, after 40 years of owning and commanding commercial and recreational vessels, having a sufficient understanding what keeps a log afloat, I am not bold enough to design my own yacht! I hire a NA to get the basics done.

    Of course different people have different skills.;)
     
  11. bdVlajko
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    Just did and I could not find that part.

    If that nice looking boat also floats and performs nicely on water, then what's the need for deep understanding what is behind the lines and figures ?

    I am obviously among them. Six months ago I knew nothing about boat building and while looking for good sources of information on internet I stumbled on this forum. It took a while to get some basic (not deep) understanding of how things work and learn to use software but I finally managed to lower the resistance (according to michlet) on our amateur design (12mx3m, 8t displacement) to some 3KW on cruising speed (cca 7 knots). Even with huge losses due to propeller inefficiency this should not go over 5KW and >10KW electric motor will have no problems in pushing such boat and that was my goal.

    Obviously, I did not (yet) ask for help on this forum because most of my questions were already answered one way or another and could easily be found using forum search. Rick, Leo, Ad Hock and others provided a wealth of information in their posts and I thank them for that.

    Not a bad idea at all.

    First of all Rick did not propose that - he proposed me to start a thread, describe what kind of boat would I like to make and ask for help. As you put it ... "When you re-read the thread you may notice that". However, I would not mind contributing in writing such tutorial but in that case it should be called "Naval Architecture for absolute beginners" since that is what I am and will always be. Being handy with computer and spending couple hours a day for a few months can't make anyone NA.

    Hatchets buried and hopefully I won't need to ask any questions. Asking someone else to do my homework is nice but the only way I can learn something is to do it by myself.

    Regards
    Vladimir
     
  12. apex1

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    Well, leave it as it is..........

    Many, many others did!
    So, my assumption about your motivation to contribute here remains negative! Very negative

    Interesting to notice, that this thread has not seen negative comments from any of the older members, quite the extreme opposite. But our newest newbie had something to grumble right in his first post.

    Though he fortunately soon provides proof that his opinion is´nt worth much:

    ..Is so extremely far from being true, it clearly shows how right my statement was.
    You can NOT design a boat!


    ...just leave it..not worth.
     
  13. bdVlajko
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    And why do you think it is "so extremely far from being true" ?
     
  14. lewisboats
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    Oregon Dory???? T'wernt mine!
     

  15. lewisboats
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    Nah...That's the Duckskiff that is up on Duckworks...14 ft long with a lot of flare so you can get right to the edge and lift the dog back in the boat without being dumped in the drink
     
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