Steel Yacht Plan - 8 meters - designed with intense security laws and standarts

Discussion in 'Boat Design' started by mustafaumu sarac, Feb 12, 2018.

  1. mustafaumu sarac
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    mustafaumu sarac Junior Member

    I want a dutch , swedish, norwegian, danish, german steel yacht plans costs around less than 1000 dollars.

    I want the rig loads , storm loads , wave loads , survival from capsize , fire and non sinking design with whole new laws and standarts.

    Thank you,

    Mustafa Umut Sarac
    Istanbul
     
  2. rwatson
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    rwatson Senior Member

    Are you actually planning anything useful, or just playing with the site to waste everyone time ?
     
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  3. mustafaumu sarac
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    I read yacht strenght book and I am member of Turkish yacht makers forum. Nobody knows english there and they waste years to find a plan. I now know bad yacht design can be very dangerous - they have no idea and they built polish 7 meters plywood boat , nearly 6 copies from free plans - and I decided to find them a steel yacht design.
     
  4. Rumars
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    8m, steel, fire proof, nonsinking = impossible.

    Google translate helps when you don't speak foreign languages. For example:
    "8m, çelik, yangın geçirmez, asamasız = imkansız. Google, yabancı dil bilmediğiniz zaman yardım eder."

    As I said already the cheapest way to build a one off is wood.
     
  5. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)


    All the Maurice Griffiths plans, and some other designers, that are hold by the Eventide owners group are available to members at the cost to put them on a CD and sending them.

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    The plywood Wild Duck plans by Alan H. Buchanan were stretched and adapted for steel in the early 1960's by the Dutch eye surgeon Dr. Bouma from Groningen in the Netherlands.

    Check the contacts in all the above links to trace the Wild Duck steel plans if interested, Benne with full name and contact details in the last above link may know more about this.

    Some steel Wild Duck's from the last above link . . .

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    There's one for sale in the Netherlands right now . . .

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    Wild Duck Wadvogel, right side first one in the foreground.
    You're very lucky, WD plans are almost for free, so you won't be set back US $ 1,000.00 for these plans . . ;)
    You're asking just a bit too much of the laws of physics there to put in a 8 m (26¼') steel sailing yacht, see Rumars' above post for this.

    Good luck !
     
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  6. mustafaumu sarac
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    Thank you very much indeed Angelique, You are an treasure. I looked to the site and there are other steel boats even an ferro.
    I wrote them to send me the all steel plans. Total cost is 30 pounds or so. I will try to compare the plans with elements of yacht strenght and llooyd rules and iso rules. I bought an programmable calculator and hoping to crack few numbers. I will try to put some compartments for non silnking , fire hazard precautions and rig precautions. Will try to crack the standards but I dont know how much goes deep. Let me get the plans and draw in freeship and see what it does say . I will be here , this will take an month to receive the plans.
     
  7. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    Blue Water Boats ---> Tom Thumb 24* ---> Grahame Shannon

    * see also the section: Comments from the Designer

    The 7.26 m (23' 10") Tom Thumb 24 was designed by Grahame Shannon in ± 1983, she's a good steel sea boat, and as with any good boat this can only be true when in capable hands. The plans for the Tom Thumb 24 are now marketed by Bruce Roberts.

    Bruce Roberts Yacht Design ---> Tom Thumb ~ 24' ~ 26' ~ 28' ~ 30½' ~ 33' ~

    Note only the Tom Thumb 24' is designed by Grahame Shannon. The longer versions are based on the 24' and are designed or adapted by Bruce Roberts, or he has assigned someone else to do so for him.

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  8. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    Some designs by Tom Colvin, but Tom passed away, and his website is offline, so the below links and quotes come from the....


    Tom Colvin: Moderate displacement ocean sailing designs range from 25' to 125'

    ‘‘ This family of vessels is based on a 125' cargo schooner.

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    Tom Colvin's steel* Julia 25' (7.62 m)

    The smallest at 25', JULIA, is a very fine ocean sailing vessel accommodating two in comfort with room for a galley, chart table, etc. She does not have full standing headroom. When she was designed, my client, who was about 6'5", and his girl friend, who was about 6'2", said they could not afford anything they could stand up in but they wanted something in which they could comfortably sit without the necessity of ever having to stand up. I said that this was perfectly feasible and possible since, after all, once on deck they did have full headroom. In the mid 1960's I delivered her complete, with diesel engine, ready for sea, including dinghy and outboard, for US $ 10,000. ’’

    Tom Colvin: The poor man's ocean cruiser

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    Tom Colvin's steel or aluminum poor man's ocean cruiser 37' (11.28 m)

    ‘‘ This design does not have full headroom, but has everything else going for it as far as comfort is concerned. It is seaworthy, fast, simple to build, inexpensive to rig, and can use an auxiliary engine of minimal horsepower. This vessel can be built in aluminum or steel. The 37-footer (shown here) sleeps two, and has a 9'3" beam and a 3'6" draft. She is double-ended, and carries the simple three-sail schooner rig. As long as simplicity is acceptable, this type of hull has much to offer. ’’

    If interested in Tom Colvin plans then it would be a struggle to find them though, see the below threads . . . .

    | Cargo Sharpie Design - (page 3) | Thomas Colvin plans | Kathryn B by Thomas Colvin | Thomas Colvin's designs |

    Good luck !

    (Edit: * see P.S. in post #10 about Julia's building material)
     
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  9. TANSL
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    You were looking for a ship "designed with intense security laws and standards". I advise you to check what standards that design that you have purchased meets.
     
  10. Angélique
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    P.S. - at the above post #8.

    Didn't see Julia's building material mentioned anywhere, just assumed it was steel, but it could also be aluminum, since she looks to me like she's built of metal in this picture. By the sail battens she also looks to have a Junk rig there.

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  11. Angélique
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    Saw a 1995 built steel 42' Colvin Aderyn Mor for sale with the same "lower bow strip details" as which Julia seems to sport in the above picture.

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  12. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    From the Eventides website come old designs by master designers from about mid of the previous century or even earlier. These plans were made with the objective to be DIY build by amateurs within the laws and regulations of those days, they don't come with any standards specified.

    Perhaps as a Naval Architect and ISO specialist you would be so kind to fill in this omission there where needed for our fellow forum member Umut ?

    I'll guess he could mail you the designs to check out, as soon as he gets them . . :cool:
     
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  13. mustafaumu sarac
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    I looked to wild duck for steel plans but moderator told me they are made by a dutch shipyard , they had had elongated the design to 23 ft. All other designs are looks like outdated , and they are subject to horror movies. I will not buy from eventides.

    I think I saw at fay marine , an 30 footer for 500 dollars and tom thumb costs around 250 dollars. I will try to buy one of them.
     
  14. Rumars
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    Misrer Saraç anything you find will likely be outdated. Nobody is building small in steel anymore, and it has it's reasons. About the best thing you can do is find older plans from a living designer that is still in business. Such an option would be Dudley Dix with it's Hout Bay 30 design. Plans cost 500USD and he ansvers questions. Hout Bay 30 steel radius chine cruising cutter http://www.dixdesign.com/hb30.htm
     

  15. JosephT
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    JosephT Senior Member

    Here you go Mustafa. Ready for that doomsday storm. Nuclear power plant is optional. Seriously though, before you order plans I would suggest you confirm a real boat has been successfully built from the NC tool paths. The steel boats are assembled by welders and need to go together in a very precise way. The assembly and weld sequences are very important. This goes for both small steel/aluminum boats and large ships. Otherwise...you'll end up with some scrap costs of unknown proportions. If you're serious I would collaborate with a yard who has built your boat.

    Good luck!

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