Some one has to start it, Americas default.

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  1. troy2000
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    They don't need to herd you; you're following right along.;)

    Your stands on most issues seem to follow standard Republican talking points, right down the line.
     
  2. powerabout
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    Great answer
    just though I would add a bit more....
    Cheers
     
  3. Boston

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    Dam Troy, you actually knew what some of that diatribe was all about. Seems like you've been keeping up on the republitard propaganda machine. I couldn't make heads or tails out of some of that stuff but I thought it worth asking for some form of explanation. I'm always curious how two groups of wildly differing views can embrace the same forms of double speak and then pretend the other isn't listening. I guess its the art of disinformation. If one group finds a way to put say, media, into its back pocket, then I guess its advantageous to blame "the other guy" for having media in its back pocket. I suppose it works like a charm, cause the ignorant masses then don't know who to believe and just randomly seem to pick one. Kinda the essence of agnotology but in politics instead of science.

    Anyway the rebuttal was interesting reading

    cheers

    PS
    the "dole" was invented by Julius Cesar, so actually welfare has been around for a while. Although that particular form of charity ( at least in the old Roman empire ) took a back seat with the advent of the Christian advance through the classical world eventually resulting in the dark ages and an excess of poverty. I suppose the view that poor people are better off today than a few hundred years ago depends on where your talking about. Poor people in say, Calcutta don't seem to me to be much better off, maybe poor people in say Scandinavia have a better social safety net but there's a lot of places ( places the corporate oligarchy loves to do business ) where poverty is every bit as hard as it "once was" and there simply is no social safety net.

    Anyway the issue is moot given that we have developed a system of wealth that "could" provide for a reasonable social safety net for all assuming a few things that are basically pipe dreams. One might be the equitable exchange of good and services. A suet jacket sold in the US for $200 should have earned the person who sewed it together more than the 70 cents they got paid in BF nowhere. Maybe then that persons family wouldn't be living in that slum right next to the sewer. Another sticky point in the poverty issue is the simple fact that the top 400 money earners in the US earn more the the entire lower 50% combined. And there attitude is almost universally, F%$K the poor, let em eat cake.

    I see todays corporate oligarchy being the responsible party for most of the worlds financial issues. They are virtually sociopathic in there view of the world, and it shows
     
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    I read a lot, Boston. When someone mentions something that happened in the past, I may not remember the details. But if I usually have at least a vague recollection, that's enough to let me go google the specifics and refresh my memory.

    Dave isn't totally out of the loop. Although he puts a partisan spin on things and tends to make exaggerated claims, he has some valid points. For example, that Fast and Furious sting operation gave the Mexican drug cartels a couple of thousand weapons -- many of them AK-47 or AR-15 derivatives, that are relatively easy to convert to full auto fire.

    Obama needs to sack Eric Holder, his Attorney General -- because the operation was carried out on Holder's watch. Either he knew about it and didn't stop it (maybe even authorized it), or he's so incompetent and out of touch that his underlings were doing their own thing right under his nose. Either way, he needs to go.
     
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    Thanks, Troy. I'll take that as a compliment. No RINOs! :cool:
     
  6. troy2000
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    Which pretty much validates my point. You prove your 'independence' by blindly following the Republican agenda..... kind of like a teenager proving her independence by donning the latest and most popular parent-annoying fashion, exactly like what her friends are wearing.:p

    I just noticed your question in my rep log. I really should check it more often, I guess.... thanks for your concern. The leg would probably be doing better if I stopped cutting off its circulation by falling asleep in my computer chair after a graveyard shift, every time it started getting back to normal.
     
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    Where exactly does one find " the hard work of a private citizen " inside the FED ?
    Should the question be "what does one find inside the FED"?
     
  8. bntii
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    On any cardinal point, to any distance- everywhere.


    One finds the tools to implement monetary policy.
    Pretty much what you find find "inside" any central bank found anywhere one cares to look around the world.
     
  9. michael pierzga
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    This thread contains the word DEFAULT...in the rest of the world the financial crisis is labeled..... Americas FAULT. The media, politicians and nationalism are a dangerous beast. Im presently listening to the Greek Finance minister explain that the crisis is Americas fault
     
  10. Boston

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    more accurately it might be explained as the fault of the tiered reserve system. The US might be the hub of that system but it didn't invent it. I believe it was the Rothschilds who did but I might be mistaken. Thing is as soon as one enters into the cycle of debt its pretty much all over. The hook is the debt and the lure is the instant gratification of (not) owning something you couldn't actually afford. Its a trap.

    I just got sent a bill by Wells Fargo on a 25 year old debt ( hows that for desperate ) Its way past the statute of limitations where I live but they know if I respond at all it restarts the clock. Col statute 13-80-193.5 current as of march 2 2011. clearly states 6 years on this kind of debt. I was late on a payment and we had argued about the penalties, that was eons ago. I told them to kiss my *** and now 25 years later after not hearing a thing out of them for about the last 20 ( its not even on my credit report, which rates me as a zero by the way ) they send me a love note. Reality is they can't come back at you 25 years later and demand payment. Well they can but there just looking for a sucker, they know the statute of limitations and are just hoping I negotiate, which would be admitting the debt which restarts the clock. Pretty sure I can ignore it unless they attach it back onto my credit and then I have to challenge it through a lawyer who informs them in writing of the statute of limitations. Any other manor of response and I think it restarts the clock.

    Whats happening to Greece isn't quite the same but its the same mentality. They took a loan, screwed it up, got slammed with interest and penalties, can't get out of it. Things escalated from there. Its not quite America's fault, we were just the primary players in developing the corporate oligarchy that developed into the present disaster.

    If you watch a movie called "In Lies we Trust" there is an excellent argument comparing corporatism to fascism, and comparing socialism or better yet national socialism to our present system of corporate domination. Its pretty frightening to think there must be some benefit to the corporate oligarchy in driving Greece to insolvency rather than forgiving the debt. I say driving them to debt because the system is rigged through the assignment of interest to force bankruptcy on at least some of the participants. Which is why I have no debt. No debt = I actually own what little I have. I stopped using even credit cards long ago after Wells Fargo got all testy about one stupid late payment.

    cheers and best of luck to the Greek, they are in for a long hard time of it.
     
  11. CatBuilder

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    Wow! That's quite a stretch! :D

    So the reasoning goes something like... "We borrowed a ton of money, we paid our pensioners to retire at age 50 at full pay, we spent oodles of money and don't have the tax revenue to pay it back. America is the cause of this."

    I guess countries are a lot like people.

    Some get on with it and make something of themselves, others just blame everyone else and waste energy doing so.
     
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    Yup..BUT...the USA still " made me do it" ........... they supersized their meals... 33 percent more..... six packs became 8 packs...buy one get one free.... Then, McMansions !!!!!!!!.

    Everyone knows that Its conspiracy by those dam Republicans to trick us innocents in paradise to over consume and feed the fat cats on Wall Sreet
     
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    My family just went through one of those disastrous battles over a small estate.
    Of the many things I learned as my family collapsed was the value of a simple villain to which one can assign all fault.
     
  14. troy2000
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    My wife and I have paid $34,000 in attorney's fees so far in one of those battles, bntii. The estate we're defending is basically a house, plus a couple of bank accounts that won't even cover what we've had to spend...

    There's nothing more fun than dealing with a dishonest, spiteful sister-in-law who also happens to be an attorney.
     

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    I'm sorry to hear that Troy.
    The crisis was one of the most difficult of my life and destroyed the family at the time of my fathers death. A time which could well have been better spent in grieving over our loss.
    It surprised how common this occurrence is. As I related my troubles to friends at the time- many had similar, and worse stories to tell.
     
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