Somali pirates

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  1. Yobarnacle
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    PC. Politcally correct. The philosophy that you can handle a turd by it's clean end.
     
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    This is exactly where the problem is. As long as there is no resistance then you keep on offering an easy target for the taking. Only by resisting do you create resistance - and prevent from becoming a victim every time.

    It works exactly the same as your personal arming does. It is exactly the fact that criminals could be killed that is a threat to them.

    I'm sure that if a couple of snipers check the scenery out the pirates will seriously begin to consider another line of work. I fail to see how the pirates can keep so many hostage merely by demanding what they want to take. It's ridiculous.

    Ok perhaps a couple of 35mm sniper guns will be nice :D Telescope the size of your PC screen LOL.


    The problem is guns exist. There is no way you can get around that and the illegal trade according to an article I read recently is massive. If you have money (like in ransom) you can buy any bloody thing you want. Too many would happily supply you.

    This leaves the rst of us with a bit of honest intention in the position where we dare not disarm ourselves, unless we want to become victims.

    I understand guns are not for every one, but there are those that like it and they will gladly help out. Btw that 2 1/2 mile sniper shot record on youtube is awesome ! Just don't like his rifle, I like the self loading one more.
     
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    About 40 years ago, then democratic party Governor Chiles responded to demands from liberals in his party for gun control legislation. His comment was "Every man is entitled the respect due an armed man." He then pushed thru the legislature tough anti-crime gun laws. In Florida, commission of any crime, while carrying a gun, is life in prison. He intended to punish criminals, not disenfranchise law abiding citizens. I think it works.
     
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    You don't introduce gun control laws if you want to reduce crime. You only introduce gun control laws if you want to kill a lot of people.

    Laws are only abided by citizens, criminals disregard them anyway, so what is the point of having gun control 'laws'.

    Compared to here in SA crime soars simply because people are disarmed and cannot defent themself.

    If it was my boat(s), I would not hessitate to arm them.
     
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    Different size ships, though, my friend.

    I am running a small charter boat, not a steel container ship. We cannot make a truly safe "safe room" or that would be my first order of business.

    The best I can do on my style boat is funnel, then attack.

    There is no reliable defensive move when boarded on a small vessel. You can only take an offensive move, or give up.

    And Fanie: You cannot arm your vessel if you travel internationally. Many places will drop you in prison if you show up with one, or... in places that allow them, they take your guns off your boat while you are there. Not very useful.

     
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    In the US, founding fathers secured the right to arms so citizenry could over throw the new government if it turned out bad. A democratic republic was a new experiment. Great. It works or worked. Now, the government has much deviated from the original constitution and is illegal. Those who benefit and like it that way, want to take away our guns so we can't throw them out. They have much justification to be afraid!
     
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    Yes this is fine. That is the choice of the captain. Let them stay unarmed.

    I'm talking about having freedom, as opposed to be subject to laws that are intended for land.
     
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    Different size ships, though, my friend.

    Quote: "I am running a small charter boat, not a steel container ship. We cannot make a truly safe "safe room" or that would be my first order of business.

    The best I can do on my style boat is funnel, then attack."

    You can ram. If you have an outboard for the dinghy? Gasoline can make molotov coctails. Pepper spray and mace. pretty good deterrants.

    Train female guests, crew, family **** defense. Attack eyeballs. And crap in pantys. The smell dampens most ardent assailant.

    Many more tactics you can use. Just plan in advance, so you aren't surprised.
    Remember. No one plans to fail. Many fail to plan.
     
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    Archery equipment allowed?
     
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    I'm aware of that - something must be changed so this can be accomodated. Over borders this is never easy especially if the governments are not on speaking terms.

    Perhaps an official notification between governments could do - You let the destination know who you are and that you have this or that firearm aboard for protection and they should consider it legal. Of course this would then exclude stuff like anti aircraft missiles etc...
     
  12. CatBuilder

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    You are not up on modern law.

    The law prohibits mace and pepper spray, as well as Tasers in most of the firearm prohibitive countries. They treat them all the same. Yes, ramming. You are thinking "big boats" here again.

    You aren't often attacked underway in a small boat. That's for container ships.

    You are attacked while sleeping, by boarding parties in the middle of the night on small vessels. That is the primary concern and reason for defense. I'm not throwing Molotov cocktails around my foam and epoxy boat. :eek: I need plans for eliminating boarding parties.
     
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    Not crossbows or spear guns.
     
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    Exactly, which is why I had posted a few pages back that we need an IMO/SOLAS regulation covering all commercial vessels, allowing them to carry defensive weapons as part of the ship's equipment.

     

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    Captain Slocum of 'Spray' put tacks on deck when going to sleep at anchor. proof against bare feet. But Tennies? What would work like tacks but thru shoes? Catrops?
     
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