Small speed boat mold construction

That's fine if he moves forward with this project.

He described himself as not able to do much work due to his physical limitations, and has little money.

I've worked with countless people with similar dreams because I'm the one they contact for advice and products to build the tooling. Plus I'm old enough to know how much energy someone at this stage of life has, and I'm far healthier than he described himself to be.

Even if he has the motivation, where is the money going to come from? He said he wants to make additional income to support himself....because he doesn't have much. He will need to fund this project from his wallet for a few years before he will be able to sell anything, if that ever happens. He also needs to learn the world of composites, government regulations, marketing, financing, production, insurance, and I almost forgot real estate because he'll need a place to build them.

And from working with boat builders for the last thirty years, none have been successful at building a small speed boat like this, not even one. People just don't want to spend the money on one when personal water craft outperform them in every way and there are so many choices.

Sometimes there needs to be a voice that says, "maybe you should think this through a little better before jumping in". Its frequently not what someone wants to hear, but if he had an actual plan and there was a market just waiting for something like this, it might be a better opportunity.

And my friend, smart guy, knew what he was doing, the boats got great reviews, and he had connections due to his time and position in the industry. What it came down to was people wanted to buy something else because this size boat is too limited in what it can do.
Regarding the OP's health and physical abilities, it's best to speak with his doctors, or with him directly, before assuming that at 65 he's useless.
I've worked as a technician for many, many shipyards that have been building fiberglass boats for years, and in the vast majority of them, there wasn't a single composites expert. Conversely, I've seen many composites technicians who, despite possessing such extensive qualifications, didn't know how to build boats.
There are no sellers of plywood panels (or aluminum or fiber glass) who know how to build boats, and there are no shipyards that know how to sell plywood panels (or aluminum or fiber glass). Experience in one area of human activity, however vast, doesn't qualify one to work in another.
We must assume that the OP, who isn't young, has accumulated enough life experience not to have to endure being treated as completely ignorant of life's difficulties. And if you have to go broke, there's no more rewarding way to do it than by doing what you love.

Since the OP apparently wants to build his own boat, why don't we all shut up and let those who actually know how to build boats guide him? Let them guide him on whether to continue or abandon this adventure, but let them guide him with real experience in boatbuilding.
Let's tell him about someone who has been successful, because there must be someone, and what they did to achieve it.
 
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Since the OP apparently wants to build his own boat, why don't we all shut up and let those who actually know how to build boats guide him? Let them guide him on whether to continue or abandon this adventure, but let them guide him with real experience in boatbuilding.
Let's tell him about someone who has been successful, because there must be someone, and what they did to achieve it.
His money. his time. Let him enjoy the adventure.
 

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Since the OP apparently wants to build his own boat, why don't we all shut up and let those who actually know how to build boats guide him? Let them guide him on whether to continue or abandon this adventure, but let them guide him with real experience in boatbuilding.
Tansl , I do get the impression that folk like Ondarvr and Ted Penfield (who have offered useful comments above) have extensive experience of boatbuilding.
 
Last I checked above this is Boat Design Forums>Construction>Boatbuilding. He does not care about your X years in the boatbuilding industry or the the amount of money you are pouring on a project. Give him some slack.
 
Intersesting, he is the one that described his health and financial situation, I didn't create any false scenario on my own. And he doesn't know anything about composites, or the type of boat he wants to build.

The truth about the likelihood of success is more important than him hearing "just live your dream". Creating a situation that encourages him spending every bit of his money on a business venture that has virtually no hope of success would be very dishonest.

I don't romanticize the thought of building boats if the person is planning on it being a source of needed income and not from a love of using the craft. And especially if they can't afford to lose money. It is, is the plan likely to succeed, has the due diligence been done on the market, does the person understand all aspects of what they are getting into. That's what he needs to hear and understand going into it. Telling him to just "follow his dream" probably isn't going to do him any favors.

I live in that market, and have for decades dealing with startups and existing builders expanding. I've seen the years it takes to make any progress. And most of the time people lose money on every front, the entrepreneur, the suppliers, the investors, the building owner, etc. And then there are the ongoing law suits because everyone wants their money back. Even well funded entrepreneurs end up broke.

Right now, from what he has revealed, there is little chance the outcome will be anything but him having less money in the future than he has now.

If he was going to make custom hatch covers my words may be different. There is far less money invested up front, few legal hurdles to navigate, you could do it in your garage to get started, the tooling is simple, there is an actual market for them, etc. And marketing for boats is a full time job on its own, demo boats, promotional events, shows, test drives, millions of tire kickers asking questions that may make little sense, but you need to cater to them. Hatch covers is something a person could learn comparatively quickly and possibly be making money soon enough to make it worth it.

At one time when I was younger I made good money building fiberglass ducting and plumbing parts in my shop before and after I went to work at my regular job. Blind flanges, custom angles, regular flanges, transition sections etc. I didn't build the pipe though, the money was in flanges and similar custom parts. Much of that is done in China now.
 
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Tansl , I do get the impression that folk like Ondarvr and Ted Penfield (who have offered useful comments above) have extensive experience of boatbuilding.
You have that impression, well, fine. But let me tell you two things, two "impressions" I have:
- I have the impression that I've never mentioned Mr. Ted Penfield, I know nothing about him, and therefore I've never referred to him, nor will I in the future.
- I have the impression, from everything I've read on this forum, that Mr. ondarvr, who I assume is a reputable seller of fiberglass and other materials, has no idea how to build boats. No offense intended, this isn't a statement, it's just an impression.

Having said that, I stand by the comment I made in a previous post: a stockist, a seller of metal plates and reinforcements, I have the impression that no matter how many materials he sells, he'll never know how to build metal boats.
Perhaps some of you have seen shipbuilding companies born, grown, and disappeared. But that doesn't qualify you to advise anyone on whether or not they should start a shipbuilding company. Looking out the window and seeing neighbors start businesses doesn't mean we know how to create one like theirs. We might be able to create some kind of business, but not one where we have no idea about the issues surrounding it. Giving advice is easy; giving good advice is not. Being negative is easy; being positive, it seems, is very difficult.
 
I want to build a small boat around 8ft to 10ft. I want to sell it too fund the build of more boats, but I also want to build the type of boat that would be desirable and sell quickly. I plan to build a fast one.in hopes of drawing attention too it.One of my questions is, should I build a hydroplane or a v-bottom. I am open for any ideas or suggestions. Thank you for the input.
It sounds like you need to do some market research and prepare a business plan as much as you need to develop plans for your boat(s). Your business plan/research could include a selection of boats currently in the market that are similar in style and use case to the kind of boat(s) you want to build and sell. I promise you it will be a learning experience (there’s a lot of hidden or peripheral expenses and costs) , and it should help you refine your own products.

Business and boat plans are living documents. They change over time as more information becomes available. For those who wish to engage in both the physical aspect of building boats, and the business side, using both is essential. More planning now, results in fewer problems and less expense later - a greater likelihood of success. It helps to be an optimist.

FWIW I started as an apprentice boat builder in 1984, and have been involved in marine trades (shipwright, marine systems, and design), business management (project management human resource, and financials), and ownership ever since. - now retired. I wouldn’t undertake a new business project without both the technical and business foundations provided by proper builders plans, and a business plan; too many risks.

Boatbuilding brought a good deal of joy and fulfillment to my life (not as much as my kids). I hope that you experience the same

Regards.
 
You have that impression, well, fine. But let me tell you two things, two "impressions" I have:
- I have the impression that I've never mentioned Mr. Ted Penfield, I know nothing about him, and therefore I've never referred to him, nor will I in the future.
- I have the impression, from everything I've read on this forum, that Mr. ondarvr, who I assume is a reputable seller of fiberglass and other materials, has no idea how to build boats. No offense intended, this isn't a statement, it's just an impression.

Having said that, I stand by the comment I made in a previous post: a stockist, a seller of metal plates and reinforcements, I have the impression that no matter how many materials he sells, he'll never know how to build metal boats.
Perhaps some of you have seen shipbuilding companies born, grown, and disappeared. But that doesn't qualify you to advise anyone on whether or not they should start a shipbuilding company. Looking out the window and seeing neighbors start businesses doesn't mean we know how to create one like theirs. We might be able to create some kind of business, but not one where we have no idea about the issues surrounding it. Giving advice is easy; giving good advice is not. Being negative is easy; being positive, it seems, is very difficult.
I started working on and repairing fiberglass boats at the age of 10 while living on an island, that was in the mid 1960s, then built boats for a friend's dad who was in the business. After that during high-school I worked in a glass shop, we built chemical tanks of all sizes. I was handed a blue print and was told to "build it".

Did several other things over the years, plus had my own boat, swimming pool and hot tub molds that I built parts off in my own shop. Also had my own business relining chemical tanks, water tanks, fish holds, lengthening and modifying boats, etc. I had jobs where I was running a chopper gun or gel coating most of every day. Along with being a plant manager for much of that time building high pressure filament wound filtration tanks with computerized systems, along with other items. When you see the water features in Las Vegas and large Aquariums like Sea World, and resorts around the world, we built and installed the water filtration systems.

After 30 years of that I jumped to this side of the industry. I started in tech service, then did product development, testing, and training for the major boat manufacturers. Part of that was spending weeks in their plants doing production and process audits, this was to help streamline production and get the best results from the resin and gel coat we supplied. I could spray gel coat, run a chopper gun, and do repairs as good or better than their employees, so it wasn't difficult to gain their respect. Then it transformed into infusion and other forms of production.

I was also the Marine Market manager for one of the larger resin and gel coat companies, I worked with all the big players in the industry, actually the small ones too.

That is only the marine side of it, I was also involved in all aspects of composites fabrication and production, aerospace, RV, architectural, job shops, etc. I traveled all over North America ever week going into multiple shops a day doing tech service and training. Did that until I started doing it internationally too.

Now I work mostly with tooling and speciality products, I do less travel now, but have a test lab in my shop where I mix up stuff for product development and testing. I still work with our sister company that is a distributor to help their sales people and customers trouble shoot and select products for specific applications. One current project is working with ultra high end automotive restoration and customization market. They like our products but we don't know enough about their type of business, so I'm learning that.

I frequently do recorded webinars for certain product lines, or training for customers. Along with numerous zoom meetings with companies that have plants in many different countries. We will go over details of using our products, or others, while I demonstrate how to use them live on camera in my shop.

Now other things. I work with universities and colleges by supplying our products at no charge and guiding them through building their specific project. Frequently it's the solar car challenges, they need to make tooling and the parts, and have zero experience, but are very intelligent.

And back to the original subject, working with people new to the industry because they have an idea for a new widget. I get these calls every week because they are directed to me from other sources to fine tune their ideas and processes into something that makes sense and is buildable. I'm the first call because they need to build tooling, and I've probably built what they have in mind. Most of these people never really get going, others create new thriving businesses. There are signs that some may succeed and others not.

If they have no money, are not in good health, have no knowledge of composites, and don't really know anything about what they plan to build, it's not a good sign.

So what more would you like to know about my experience in the industry?

PS, that was the short version.
 
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PS, that was the short version.
Impressive Resume, I have no choice but to admit it. Congratulations! You've left me speechless.

My "impression" is that in the longer version you'll tell us about the moment you planned and launched the company to build small plastic boats, thus completing your experience in "the industry," as you call the boatbuilding sector.
For my part, I will end my participation in this thread here. Again, congratulations!
 
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There has been little response from the OP regarding the input and comments so far. I did enjoy reading @ondarvr 's background, as I have only known him from the resin/chemicals aspect.

Hopefully, the OP will reply with an update to his thought process, etc.
 
This is what I’ll build but I’m going to cut 4’ or 5’ out of it and from everything I’ve found out ,yes a mold is too much money as well as going the fiberglass route .so I’m going to make it out of wood ,I used to own a sawmill so I have a lot of cured wood in a building out back ,white oak ,pecan,cedar ,a little black walnut .im not in the best shape but I can get this done and I just didn’t want to build a boat and find out that I should of made it a 2 seater .IM hoping a young fella looks at this and has too have it.i used to build really nice homes in buckhead Atlanta,they inspired me to buy a crane ,they were 3 storied monsters ,12’first floor walls and so on .16 sq ft of area to fit the stairs in that had to meet code .but as far as market research,well I don’t speak that language.and I’m not going to go ballistic with it ,maybe one every 3 or 4 months .that why I was wondering what y’all thought had a better chance of selling.tunnel or the v hull thanks y’all have a good one.
 

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This is what I’ll build but I’m going to cut 4’ or 5’ out of it and from everything I’ve found out ,yes a mold is too much money as well as going the fiberglass route .so I’m going to make it out of wood ,I used to own a sawmill so I have a lot of cured wood in a building out back ,white oak ,pecan,cedar ,a little black walnut .im not in the best shape but I can get this done and I just didn’t want to build a boat and find out that I should of made it a 2 seater .IM hoping a young fella looks at this and has too have it.i used to build really nice homes in buckhead Atlanta,they inspired me to buy a crane ,they were 3 storied monsters ,12’first floor walls and so on .16 sq ft of area to fit the stairs in that had to meet code .but as far as market research,well I don’t speak that language.and I’m not going to go ballistic with it ,maybe one every 3 or 4 months .that why I was wondering what y’all thought had a better chance of selling.tunnel or the v hull thanks y’all have a good one.
Rather than trying to “cut 4’ or 5” out of those boats you might try looking at Glen-L or Clark Craft plans. They have smaller outboard powered boats of similar style.



 
Nothing cures this debate like getting going on it.

Op must have an idea of a shape, boat that size should easily fit in an average garage bay.

Seems like a plywood boat that could act as a test platform as well as become the plug makes the most sense. Balancing a boat that small and getting it right first go around is a long shot. Probably going to have a few iterations before you get it just right. Not terrible hard to make a mold off a plug, easier than getting the plug faired and ready.

Im working on a new iteration of dingy, about the same size as your talking. Last one was with leftover core and built as a one off. Turned out a bit heavier than what I wanted as well as to deep a v for beaching. Next one is going to be out of a mold, with high speed low drag materials and thinner core. Guessing Ill be about 500 in the plug, maybe another 700 in the mold. Between the carbon, epoxy and core Ill be more into the first one out than the nicest inflatable currenly in its size range. Thats assuming my time is worth 0... going to make those expensive carbon dingys look like a bargain.

* just realized the op responded while I was typing
 
This thread has got me thinking that I need to make a new dinghy, because after 15 years or so the one I made has seen better days. It is going to be about the same size as the old one (8’6” x 3’6”), but I want to modify the bow somewhat.

I’ll start a new thread as I get going on it.
 
The new plan sounds great. It's right inline with your current skills, you already have the materials to start the project, and you don't need a specialized shop just for this.
 
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