Small and cheap voyager.

Discussion in 'Sailboats' started by J.D.Hogg, Jun 1, 2006.

  1. Seafarer24
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    Seafarer24 Sunset Chaser

    That penny looks like a horrid design, in my opinion. 10,500# displacement on a 19' waterline? 5' draft from a full-keeled 25' boat?

    "Emily" does indeed look much like a "Spray" type boat. Also remember that she was built in Japan where headroom is less of a concern as few people exceed 5'6" tall.
     
  2. Wellydeckhand

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    That is true, they like tight space and live really comfortable in that measurement.(Japaness)

    Penny was design by MacNaughton
     
  3. J.D.Hogg
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    What exactly is wrong with the penny's dimensions?

    Emily is neither a japanese design or designed for a japanese person.
     
  4. FAST FRED
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    "I'll try and narrow it down some. Monohull, simple rig, plank or strip construction,"

    The problem here is with a wooden boat your reasle value is VERY low , so you will not be able to capatalize on any of your sweat equity.

    I would attempt to find a SOLID GRP (fiberglass ) boat that spet most of its life ashore , (or at least winters) to have some hull streignth left in her.

    Look in boatyards and backyards for the "project" someone started and never finished.

    Work with a sledge hammer is easy , so many boats are ripped apart , untill the owner finds it takes actual knowledge and skills to rebuild it.

    Altough with lots of looking a genuine stock boat could be found . $5000 may get you closer to 35 ft than many would think , and 35 is a fine size for ocean work. Down around 25 its almost a stunt boat , although Folkboats have sailed the world , with fine results.

    Read "Trekka circles the world " (or similar title) , this fellow was a master carpenter and did a circumnavigation on a 20 ft boat.

    FAST FRED
     
  5. nero
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    I am 5'6" and spent one year working in Japan. Supprise for me was that the majority of the under 30 years old Nipongins are taller than me. ... girls included. 5'8 to 5'10 seems to be more of the norm.

    for what it is worth. smile
     
  6. Seafarer24
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    Seafarer24 Sunset Chaser

    Nero- that's GREAT news! I've always wanted to date a tall asian girl ;)

    Regarding Penny:
    Think of her like a woman: A 6' tall 150lb amazon can be a good-looking woman. However at 5' tall, 150lbs just makes them chunky.

    It's not big enough to carry the amount of sail required to move its weight, and the waterline is so short that it would never make a respectable speed in any direction.
     
  7. Wellydeckhand

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  8. J.D.Hogg
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    So a bit like sailing a bouy?

    WDH: Your at least the second person to list that russian boat, but it looks a lot like a racer to me. Nice design though even if it weren't free.
     
  9. sharpii2
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    she wouldn't be a bad bet. I've read Mr. Buehler's book on backyard boat building and it is revelational on how an ocean worthy boat can be built with relatively cheap matterials and very straightforward techniques. I love how he despences with the expensive lead or cast iron keel and replaces it with a steel reenforced concrete job. It may not be first on race day, but it will cross an ocean.

    Just keep in mind that, though he likes to use inexpensive matterials, he likes to use a LOT of them. I don't think any one would ever accuse any of his designs as being under built.

    I wish you good luck with your project.

    Bob
     
  10. J.D.Hogg
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    Thank you.

    I'll have to get a copy of his book.
     
  11. nero
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    "Regarding Penny:
    Think of her like a woman: A 6' tall 150lb amazon can be a good-looking woman. However at 5' tall, 150lbs just makes them chunky."

    Too funny!

    I read a bit about MacNaughton's design philosophy. He (and his wife) are in to sea kindly, small cruisers/liveabords. Speed is not one of his passions. Hope I did not go out on a limb here.
     
  12. nero
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    Forgot to add that small is relative. I saw a Kronos 45 this year. It was anchored off Cannes. Aluminum grey in color, just like my current intentions for my boat. From the ship that I was on I though the catamaran was 12 meters. I had a hard time seeing that my cat will be that small.

    Now back in my barn, I realize that 14.5 meters is not at all a big boat. Kind of happy about this. For a while I was thinking I was building something to big.
     
  13. servobot
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    You should check out the Backyard Boatbuilding Yahoo group:

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/backyardboatbuilding2

    5K won't go far, even if you do the whole, "I built it all from 2x4s and porch paint" thing. Decent wood is expensive and building any boat from the ground up takes forever.

    If you're handy, you're much better off refitting a used hull. A Pearson Triton or an Albin Vega can be had for a song and both have circumnavigated several times.
     
  14. J.D.Hogg
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    "A Pearson Triton or an Albin Vega can be had for a song"

    Not 5k but pretty reasonable, and thats just a few minutes of searching online.
     

  15. Milan
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    No, they are very different. Spray is very wide with a very shallow (long) keel and very full bow and lot of space for her length. Buhler's Emily, (modified Hagar), Juna and some of his larger boats are quite narrow with much sharper bow and deeper draft then Sprays and less interior space for their length then Spray's. If I would choose between Spray and Emlily for offshore sailing, I would go for Emily any time. (I saw one Spray in action to windward in the chop couple of years ago and she really earned her name throwing the spray all around and going nowhere).
     
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