Should Professionals Design Boats

Discussion in 'Boat Design' started by Submarine Tom, Sep 10, 2012.

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  1. Ad Hoc
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    Ad Hoc Naval Architect

    We always learn from debates. As you have said yourself:

    The illusion that you refer to is that of ignorance.

    Professionals expose all they learn and share for others. Not wishing to peruse the facts because it may counter ones "gut intuitive" feel or an argument down the pub to look knowledgeable to one's mates, is the ignorance. Professionals deal with facts not subjective hearsay. How one wishes to "spin" such facts also addresses ones professionalism :p

    That is why you're confused. Because there is a plethora of information produced by endless professionals. Just because you haven't read or cannot understand what is published, doesn't make it of any lesser value.

    Oh..and there are many such references about the metallurgy of the steel on the Titanic, here is just but one, to whet your appetite, if you choose to dip your toe in the professional world:

    W.A. Garzke Jr., D.K. Brown, P.K. Matthias, R. Cullimore, D. Wood, D. Livingstone,H.P. Leighly Jr., T. Foecke, and A. Sandiford, “Titanic, The Anatomy of a Disaster”,Proceedings of the 1997 Annual Meeting of the Society of Naval Architects and MarineEngineers, SNAME, Jersey City, NJ (1997)
     
  2. Submarine Tom

    Submarine Tom Previous Member

    And you, Ad Hoc, call yourself a professional do you?
     
  3. Frosty

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    Titanic was bulit and designed by profesionals but hampered and interfered with by non professionals. Economic restraints necessitated cutting corners and such things as life boat numbers being unnecessary because it was to be said to be unsinkable by an un prrfessional news paper reporter.

    Raising bulk heads to the deck was possible and considered but refused by the owner as the walking deck would have been stepped to accommodate them.

    If proffesionals had been left alone it would have been OK

    The ridiculous speed through the ice field was what caused it to sink was dictated by the owner and not the captain.
     
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  5. Submarine Tom

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    You are no professional Ad Hoc I can assure you that.
     
  6. BPL
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    Maybe you are making up your own definition for the word professional.

    "A professional is a person who is paid to undertake a specialized set of tasks and to complete them for a fee." That's all a professional is.
     
  7. Ad Hoc
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    Exactly.

    Thus asking SubTom what he defines as a Professional..since it is at variance with that which is commonly used and accepted in dictionaries around the world :rolleyes:
     
  8. MikeJohns
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    There is a scientific approach called "Root Cause failure analysis" it's objective and quite separate from Popular Culture and Urban Myth.

    RMS Titanic sank not because of a design flaw, but because its operator ran it recklessly at full speed into an ice field they were warned about and hit a berg. It wasn't particularly poorly built or designed. Normal Ships even today are not designed to be run into rocks reefs and ice bergs, sometimes they survive sometimes they sink. And we just saw that with the Costa Concordia. How sensible would it be to blame Costa's design team for that sinking ?

    To pretend that the ship should have survived the collision is the first small step to the grand fallacy; that it must be the designers fault. Removing 100 years of hindsight makes the design a marvel of modern engineering for it's day. Yet people devoid of any proper understanding can make the designers seem culpable with glib one liners like " Professionals designed the titanic"
     
  9. Frosty

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    No thats an employee.

    Ever noticed how non professionals hate the word professional.

    Are you getting paid for writing this bull ****.

    That would make you a professional bull sh1tter.

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  10. Submarine Tom

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    I see now why you guys have an association.

    I believe it is called "Group Think".
     
  11. BPL
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    What is your definition of a professional?
     
  12. Frosty

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    A professional is a man or woman that has been specifically trained in a particular field . Has passed tests and complied with necessary requirements in training to carry out that specific field.

    Professional training is sometimes denoted with letters of qualification acompanying a persons name,---as does your Doctor,--- and as does mine.
     
  13. tunnels

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    Having letters before and after a name D.I.P.S.T.I.C.K. and a couple before M.R :confused::D
     
  14. MikeJohns
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    Group think is actually Popular culture or Urban Myth which you parrot here:

    These sort of statements make a wonderfully compelling one liner for people who don't know any better. But there's no sensible basis to it. The reality is a lot more complex than simple one liners and it is apparently going to take some effort to make that one go away !

    Its a myth that needs killing.
     

  15. BPL
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    Examples of failures can be cited as evidence that non-professionals shouldn't design boats for their own use.
    Examples of failures can also be cited when professionals have designed boats.
     
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