Seeking info on Tri-Star or Piver trimaran 23 to 27 Feet

Discussion in 'Multihulls' started by LucD, Sep 25, 2009.

  1. cavalier mk2
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    Speaking of building, how about renovating ? Yesterday I saw a aft cockpit searunner 31 conversion, rough and ready on craigslist in San Diego for 2000 dollars. I like building but sometimes rebuilding/recycling can be cheaper though not necessarily faster. Then there was the unassembled one for $8000 in Vancouver B.C......
     
  2. FredMG
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    Building can be perhaps the most satisfying approach of all. However, it's also the most costly and time consuming, and can easily wreck a relationship. Many marriages have come down to "me or the boat", (me being the wife typically), and in many cases the boat "won". Finding a mostly built boat to finish, or one that needs "TLC", even if significant, can be a far more practical approach time and money wise, relationship wise, and gets you a semi-customized boat (if you want to make it "yours" in a big way), plus get's you out sailing much sooner, unless of course you really enjoy the building/fixing part more (which some people find out they do enjoy more than sailing). I'm thinking of that kind of approach as a good alternative to a new boat as well as building a boat. I've found and was somewhat interested in truly cost free boats as well. - A friend who runs a boatyard had an old 21' keel sloop in his yard on a trailer, all in pretty decent shape. A little bit of TLC was needed, but not very much. He even offered to tow the trailer to a yacht club we were thinking of joining if we took the boat, while we sail it from his harbor to the yacht clubs (one harbor over). We ultimately decided (me really) that it wasn't what I wanted. I saw someone working on it late last summer and now it's gone. But it was free for the asking. If youi find a multihull needing finishing or tender loving care, and it's in a boatyard accruing bills or just taking up valuable space, make a low ball offer, or offer to take it off the boatyard owners' hands. You'd be surprised how often and how easy it can be to do just that.
     
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  4. FredMG
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    I've met a lot of people who've built boats or fixed boats up and then lived on or cruised for extended periods on them. Some were batchelors (never met a single woman yet who did that) and the rest were families. I always felt those whose families or marriages (if no kids) stayed together had the best deals of all. I think many men (primarily) get into something that they think or hope their spouse/wife/partner will like almost as much as they do, find out that either they never really did (shame on the spouse for not being up front about it), or had mixed feelings (shame on the boatbuilder then for not being realistic and at least making sure the boat was a mutually desired outcome). The end result is either dreams that are lost, relationships that are lost, perhaps never to be found again in the saddest circumstances. With any luck each will find another partner sharing the same dream, or enough of it so it happens (we all have our doubts about lots of things from time to time), or find that they really are happier on their own, sharing their dream as little or as much as they truly want with friends, family, and significant others. Time, money, and in this case, shared or unshared dreams are what need to be considered up front, right from the start, or your dream will likely not happen the way you think or hope it will, if ever.
     
  5. cavalier mk2
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    Dang it Fred, I thought sailors were supposed to have a girl in every port ! Now I learn my boat's too big to get to the town landing? What is a relation-ship ? How many hulls does it have ? How am I supposed to tie the thing up? Dreaming and doing are different things but needn't be in conflict. In fact one should lead to the other. Now I'll just take a nap and dream of vahines on South sea beaches ......
     
  6. FredMG
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    Cavalier, might I be bold enough to suggest you read James Wharram's book, "Two Girls, Two Catamarans" as a primer for the kind of relation-ship I suspect you hint at. He also never had a girl in every port. He had several girls with him at all times it seems! I wonder if he designed or sailed while wearing a silk lounge or smoking jacket, ala H. Hefner, who also seems to have had girls around him more or less constantly while developing and then running his very successful businesses. I wonder if he and Wharram ever compared notes, and I ain't talkin' just music here sailor boy!
    I wonder if having one girlfriend at a time (generally), and for many years now one wife (who luckily likes to sail, though I can't imagine being interested in a woman who didn't), means I coulda-woulda-mightof, but mostly didn't 'cause I was a decent sort of chap, too boat-crazed to realize the full potential of having a boat, or dain bramaged ("briney brained)?
     
  7. cavalier mk2
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    First you talk about relation-ships (what kind of rig do they have?) and now I have to read a book for instructions. What kind of a sailor do you think I am? Seriously, Fred I'm a sailing single dad. I know my son must have had a mother but she ran away and joined the circus 10 years ago and so has missed all the sailing. H'mmm maybe I do need the instructions....or at least a good ad! Lets see "sail the shallows with cavalier, for the daring deep waters await and remember sailors make better.....whoops I'm supposed to be family friendly...."Yes lads and lasses, find a relationship that floats, can survive stormy seas and surreal sunsets, just remember to keep it ship shape or be ready to ship out!." Now excuse me while I look for that all girl crew.
     
  8. FredMG
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    Cavalier...
    You must be doing a good job if you're raising a son by yourself and still have time to even think about sailing.
    Years ago in my single days I met one woman through a personal ad she had placed. No age, race, etc. info. All the ad said was:
    "I love Sailing, Sailing, and Sailing. A Wench looking for a Winch."
    She was around the right age it turned out, said her previous relationship ended somewhere between Martha's Vineyard and Block Island (no, she didn't get wet in the process), and was a teacher of teachers of the deaf in NY City. We went out for a while, had lots of fun, including sailing, and ultimately went our separate ways. But she was involved in sailing as much as she could, even helping with fitting out for spring, etc.
    So your next girlfriend or "boat" wife is out there!
    I think being upfront and a little humorous can't hurt when looking for someone who sails and isn't afraid of doing work on a boat.
     
  9. cavalier mk2
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    We don't just think about sailing Fred, we sail year round putting several thousand miles under the keel every year. His mom has him almost 1/2 the time but who wouldn't rather be sailing ? Right now I am mentoring his 8th grade project which is building a redesign I did of Bolger's 12' Teal. Girls with belt sanders to the front of the line eh ? Seriously I do advise people to start sailing in anything to see if the work and reality are for them. Some are happier keeping dreams dreams and for others living the adventure is where it's at. Being willing and able to do the work to make dreams realty = priceless. Now back to talking about boats .....did wharram keep a girl in each hull and what am I allowed with three ?
     
  10. DarthCluin
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    I really enjoyed that book, and I recommend it very highly. It is a grand adventure in a world that allowed you to sail from country to country without getting visas in advance. Even though you know they made it, when they discover teredos are eating through the hull of the first cat in mid Atlantic, and when the boat basically disintegrates off the coast of Trinidad, you can feel their fear. They scrape by in Trinidad, build a shanty boat, have a baby, and Jim makes enough money writing magazine articles for them to build a 40' cat. They sail home via the North Atlantic. Yikes!
    If your library system can't get it, buy it direct from Wharram. Here's the link:
    http://wharram.com/sales/index.php?..._id=73&zenid=a4d7455d08b32e3156e654451e49574c
    For a contemporary's insights, try this:
    http://outrig.org/outrig.org/Videos.html
     

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    When I met my wife, she told me that she had been doing restoration work on the tall ship Wavertree down at the South Street Seaport in Manhattan. She had or was stripping and redoing a huge amount of varnishwork. While owning Moonraker we had relatively little varnish work to do which she really appreciated. She subsequently prefers having a boat with just a little external varnish work to do. But she's been game for such stuff, and is one reason I asked her out to lunch the day I met her, and one reason we're together a long time at this point. Girls with scrappers and sanders to the front indeed!
     
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