schooner missing

[peter radclyffe]

What is the Gallant, the Breton schooner that sank in the Bahamas taking two sailors? - Le Parisien

 

[peter radclyffe]

Information | BSC sail cargo | Shipped by sail

 

[OrionSailor]

This was a dutch „ Haring logger“.
they probably got a gust of wind and sank.
2 female crew missing. 6 saved.
Had payed cargo on board like cacao, chocolade, rum ( or suikerriet)
Will there be a investigation?

 

[peter radclyffe]

it is better to build the hull and deck as watertight structures, with watertight hatches,doors and bulkheads, and to treat the deckhouses as separate entities, thereby reducing downflooding risk, but some of these ships, old and new have a deckhouse open to below decks, these old boats were not built like that, because the modern crews mostly grew up in houses, they dont think about these things,

 

[C. Dog]

Went down in 2000m of water, won't be a dive wreck anyway. We can only hope for a miraculous rescue of the two ladies lost, otherwise may they rest in peace.

 

[C. Dog]

This was a dutch „ Haring logger“.
they probably got a gust of wind and sank.
2 female crew missing. 6 saved.
Had payed cargo on board like cacao, chocolade, rum ( or suikerriet)
Will there be a investigation?

Another shipwreck involving the Bermuda Triangle, may have not been a wind gust?

 

[peter radclyffe]

De Gallant Owner Blames 'Unforeseen' Storm for Loss. American Forecaster Calls BS https://loosecannon.substack.com/p/de-gallant-owners-blame-unforeseen?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share

 

[C. Dog]

Peter that article was full of conjecture and character assassination. I have been upon the ocean and watched knock down squalls coming at us on radar, with nothing to be done but hang on and pray. This occured sometimes in pitch black predawn conditions like these folk were in.

I was on diesel powered fishing boats with vastly more speed and manoeuvrability than the old dear that was lost; and the storms were moving at probably five times boat speed (8-10Kn), you don't have much time to do anything by the time they hit.

How long would it take to get a possibly inexperienced and poorly trained crew on deck and pulling down the full rag she probably hsd hoisted, during dog watch hours to complicate everything?

I have no idea, but I suspect 10 minutes would be too long by the time the helmsman realised the distant lightning was bearing down upon them.

It is all well and good for a journalist, out to increase their profile, waffling on about a situation they are extremely unlikely to have experienced, but it helps the situation not one iota.

 

[OrionSailor]

Same post..

 

[OrionSailor]

The final report from the sinking of the Gallant.
Link

 

[rwatson]

Thats at least two sailing vessels capsized and sunk by unpredictable high winds recently.

Its a big reason why I am interested in mechanised wind assistance, to keep people off dangerous decks, not induce extreme heeling etc with Rotor sails

Everything Old is new again - Flettner Rotor Ship is launched https://www.boatdesign.net/threads/everything-old-is-new-again-flettner-rotor-ship-is-launched.24081/page-44#post-972103

 

[Will Gilmore]

Peter that article was full of conjecture and character assassination. I have been upon the ocean and watched knock down squalls coming at us on radar, with nothing to be done but hang on and pray. This occured sometimes in pitch black predawn conditions like these folk were in.

I was on diesel powered fishing boats with vastly more speed and manoeuvrability than the old dear that was lost; and the storms were moving at probably five times boat speed (8-10Kn), you don't have much time to do anything by the time they hit.

How long would it take to get a possibly inexperienced and poorly trained crew on deck and pulling down the full rag she probably hsd hoisted, during dog watch hours to complicate everything?

I have no idea, but I suspect 10 minutes would be too long by the time the helmsman realised the distant lightning was bearing down upon them.

It is all well and good for a journalist, out to increase their profile, waffling on about a situation they are extremely unlikely to have experienced, but it helps the situation not one iota.

Right!

But...

How well did the captain know the character of that old gal? How well did the captain know the area in which she sailed? Knowing your crew, or not knowing your crew makes a difference to how you set your sails, how you set your course, and how you establish your watches. I am certainly not suggesting the captain could have done anything differently to improve the outcome, but we can't really know. Was the cargo loaded appropriately? Was it secured from shifting? There is a psychological phenomenon called, normalized deviance (Advances in Nursing Science https://journals.lww.com/advancesinnursingscience/abstract/2021/04000/normalization_of_deviance__concept_analysis.8.aspx#:~:text=Normalization%20of%20deviance%20has%20been,on%20more%20than%201%20occasion.). It is difficult to maintain safe practices when, over time, speed and efficiency that deviate from strict safety practices don't usually have negative consequences.

-Will