Sailboat Capsizes near Bermuda, People feared Dead!

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  1. hoytedow
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    Well he reconds its not missmanged from within.

    The re bulid is managed by the aid - un organisations and not much by the Haiti Government.

    Billions of Dollars from USA and other world citizens for what.

    A waste of time it would appear.

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    Hey, something we can all agree on. The UN managed project is a waste of time & money.

    Doesn't detract anything from the point that Haiti is a piss-poor basket case of a place and has been so for over a century - all their own work too. If they had a competent government they would still have needed financial and material assistance, but they wouldn't have needed the UN to 'improve' things.

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    this has nothing to do with zenophobia, and I have no idea why you would think it does (do you even know what that means? how is what I posed zenophobic?).

    I do not have a zenophobic bone in my body, but it is clear that you have an anti-Amearican bias. You appear suffer from "Amearicaphobia", fear and suspicion of anything American. ;-)

    I have read some essays about Haiti, and listen to radio programs about the conditions in Haiti, since the big earthquake, so I do know a little. They may or may not be accurate, no more so than the anti-american rants that you read. What makes you think what you read is accurate?

    One thing is certain, the country is mismanaged, no matter who is the one doing it. I would more likely suspect the inept leadership of Haiti.

    the United states can not produce sugar cheaper than Haiti, it is just not possible. More likely they can not produce enough to feed themselves, so the US gives it to them as a form of aid.
     
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    Sugar. Suggest farming subsidies, vote buying and the strong lobby by US growers not to have them removed. The haiti government can't afford to subsidies their growers to keep them in business.

    The US grower with subsidies can produce sugar cheaper than Haiti. Plus import Protection. Don't know re Haiti sugar, but the US is well known for placing import duty on agriculture and farm products as well to keep their production in bussiness.
     
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    The USA tariffs and outright restrictions on sugar imports are one of the most notorious examples of hypocrisy on the entire planet, and that's saying a lot.

    Funny thing is, it's one of the primary reasons for manufacturers there using corn syrup as a sweetener so it's also an own-goal.

    But hey, the politicians and the sugar growers are happy, so screw everyone else....

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    yes, protectionist trade policies are always a bad idea in the long run. the shrinking sugar industry in the US is one of the most notorious and outlandish example if subsidies out of control.

    I have read it cost the average family about $17 a year for government price controls on sugar, so most people to do not care. but to the 50,000 people still in sugar production in the US, it keeps them in buisness. One consequence is that US candy companies can not compete with cheaper imported candy (that buys cheaper non-US supplies of surgar), so they close their factories and have their candy made in south America where both sugar and labor is cheaper. So 2 milllion jobs have been lost to off shore manufacturing of candy, to save 50,000 jobs in the sugar industry.

    I think if the US sugar manufactures can not compete with imported sugar, than they should not exist at all. Instead we pay a bigger price for everything here, and lose jobs too.

    I have no idea how the sugar subsidies to us manufactures would affect Haiti, there would be no point in taxpayers subsidizing sugar production just so it can be exported to Haiti cheaper than it can be made there. not likely that is even possible since the average wage in Haiti is perhaps one tenth that in the US.
     
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    I think if a product is so lousy it needs subsidy to survive as a commodity it should go away. Let gas-o-corn suffer the same fate.
     
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agriculture_in_Haiti

    Haiti is like an alcoholic crackhead living under the bridge. There is not much chance of it ever functioning in a normal, reasonable way.

    Haiti - Dominican Republic border. Much of the country is on an irrevocable path to desertification.

    [​IMG]

    Come and get it! Air dried mudcakes!

    [​IMG] http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90782/7278857.html

    Hand washing facilities probably aren't too important when you're eating dirt.

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    they are eating mud cakes to fill their stomach, yetch!

    reminds me of the Monty Python skit in the Holy Grail movie where King Arther asks a peasant who lives in the castle, him and his wife are digging up "filth". Dennis the peasant claims they have no king, they live in an "autonomous collective" or commune where they rotate leadership weekly.

    A comment I guess that in socialist utopias all they have is mud and filth to live off of. I guess Haiti fits the bill.

    see it here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xd_zkMEgkI
     
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