Sailboat Capsizes near Bermuda, People feared Dead!

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  1. SamSam
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    SamSam Senior Member

    You surely can't be talking about your Coast Guard, since your CG is a charity organization that makes roughly 3650 rescues a year on a budget of about $11 million.

    So you must be talking about your Navy and Air Force. I don't believe your $1 million dollar figure for the majority of offshore rescues. Can you show where that number came from?

    You'd also need to subtract the costs of how much money is expended for all the manpower and equipment that would just be sitting around and doing nothing if not on a rescue mission. But, maybe you don't you pay your military either unless they're actually doing something.

    You're also slinging more biased BS about the US. My wife had ambulance services a while ago, it cost $75.

    Guess who else has to pay for ambulance rides.
     
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  2. pdwiley
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    pdwiley Senior Member

    Only if they are a signatory to the 1951 refugee treaty. Other states don't have to do a thing, and many don't.

    PDW
     
  3. michael pierzga
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    michael pierzga Senior Member

    Dont know all the intricacies of world politics. I do know UNHCR because my mom worked for them processing Vietnamese boat people.

    At any rate the responsibility to protect is valid.

    To show contempt for helpless poor people in desperate situations is regrettable.

    Boat people at sea are truly helpless
     
  4. oceancruiser

    oceancruiser Previous Member

    Get real. It was a Quote

    "Quote"
    Please keep threads friendly and polite to all other members; no politics or religion

    Boat Design Net Moderator ::

    Please keep threads friendly and polite to all other members;

    Puntuation mark as well.

    How you can interpret that im inferring what you state I inferred is beyond me.

    OC
     
  5. oceancruiser

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    Guess who does not

    http://www.wfa.org.nz/
     
  6. SamSam
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    SamSam Senior Member

  7. pdwiley
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    Yes, well, given your level of grammar and spelling, I'm not surprised it's beyond you. You may not think so, but so far I have been polite. The only time I've called you a hypocrite is for that quote, and if you only meant the first part of it to apply, then you should have trimmed it to only say that. The moment you left in politics in the context of my comments and yours prior, I was entitled to assume you didn't like getting criticized and were running for cover.

    As I said, if you aren't prepared to take it, don't start it. You started it.

    Still waiting for that breakdown of foreign flag rescues by year. Come on, you were the one who claimed NZ spent millions on rescuing foreign flagged yachts, primarily US flagged vessels. Where are the data?

    PDW
     
  8. oceancruiser

    oceancruiser Previous Member

    Did you also get your buddies at school to do your home work for you.

    Google it.

    OC
     
  9. SamSam
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    SamSam Senior Member

    Well, that's a cop out if I ever saw one.

    Why should we have to look around for information to back up your statements?

    You know what this looks like, don't you?


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  10. oceancruiser

    oceancruiser Previous Member

    No body is asking you to do anything.

    OC
     
  11. SamSam
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    SamSam Senior Member

    Well, I guess you're right there.

    But I'm asking you to support your claims. Can you do it?


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  12. troy2000
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    Of course not. But you already knew that....:)
     
  13. michael pierzga
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    michael pierzga Senior Member

    Some of the rescues in the Southern Ocean, because of the vast distances , are indeed Expensive. Millions.

    I remember reading of an Australian rescue of one of the singlehanders. The rescue craft had to be refueled enroute and directed by aircraft to the casualty.

    Ive always thought that sailors venturing down thier for adventure ....other remote regions like the Arctic , should carry rescue insurance.

    For a while,,New Zealand required an inspection and rigourousy safety gear on all yachts departing New Zealand
     
  14. pdwiley
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    IOW, you pulled your claims out of your rectal orifice and don't have the honesty to admit it.

    Your rep score is now -44 (none of it my doing btw) so I'd say your general credibility is nonexistent.....

    PDW
     
  15. SamSam
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    SamSam Senior Member

    Rescue insurance sounds like a good idea.

    I imagine long distance rescue is expensive, but as far as I can tell it is done by the Navy and Air Force who are already on duty and being paid (hopefully) whether they're on a rescue mission or not. The Coast Guard, who do the vast majority of rescue work, are volunteers.

    If oceancruiser has a ***** about the cost of his taxes going to Maritime New Zealand (who I guess funds search and rescue, since that's who he's always referring to) which I can understand since he doesn't own a boat, he ought to take it up with the government of New Zealand, since they fund 35% of MNZ.

    The majority of the funding is taken up by commercial interests, who in turn have their own *****...
    As far as overall funding, well, shiver me timbers matey...
    Croikey!

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