SA Genocide

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  1. Fanie
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    Hello guys,

    Sadly, SA gets placed into a genocide stage 6 next week. It's not a joke. We have been at a stage 5 since 2002.

    Needless to say things are very tense and we do not know when the government with malema and his thugs are going to spring into even more serious action. We are not even sure if we will occupy this property in the near future... if they get their way.

    http://www.genocidewatch.org/

    http://censorbugbear-reports.blogspot.com/2011/06/boers-in-fullblown-genocide-dr-gregory.html

    A stage 6 genocide is where they can see how things develop and how the people are being murdered.

    This is the stage where we can ask foreign countries for some help and support. It is also the stage where we are being forced to take up arms to defend ourselves.

    On the moment nobody takes this seriously because the evidence on how bad it really is in SA gets hidden by the government.

    A stage 6 genocide means we qualify for international court rights.
     
  2. Tantalus
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    And I thought SA was referring to south Australia?
     
  3. whitepointer23

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    hang in there fanie, i really feel for you guys. i have worked with people from sa and some of there personal stories are horrific. with the world media focused on the middle east nothing else seems to get any attention.
     
  4. hoytedow
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    The left-wing press in the less United States of America gives zero coverage of this abomination in this Obamanation.
     
  5. Jenny Giles
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    Payback's tough, isn't it?
    Give them 100 years to square the ledger for all that was done to their people. :p
     
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    *******
     
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  7. Fanie
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    Hello Jenny,

    People have a gross misconception of how it is in South Africa. Perhaps I could explain something. Shortly after the anc came into power ther was a huge witch hunt where those that committed 'gross deeds' against them were brought to justice. That was 17 years ago !

    Despite the social remove between white and blacks, there was never a time in the 'old' South Africa where whites hunted and killed black people like the US did with Indians. White people do not hate black people, the 'apartheid' is a matter of you cannot accept their values and the way they live !

    Still have a hard time accepting certain things like body parts collected by witchdoctors for making muti, or having sex with a white virgin will cure you from aids. Think a bit how it would be to have people like that in your community !

    What is going on here currently is a systematic killing of white people, hence it gets called a genocide. Take a nice big map of South Africa and make 3700 dots all over it - that will give you a good idea of the murders on white farmers only ! Why farmers ? Well according to the anc the whites are in posession of too much land. These blacks do not want to buy land from the state and build it up like the whites do, they want it developed and ready to just walk in. The state has a lot of ground that can be bought and developed - they are not interested in that. They just want to take what the white man have.

    You have to keep in mind since 17 years ago black people have more privileges than white people. There was for instance at one stage 1300 farms given to black farmers, they are all bankrupt and not a single one of them became successfull. Their reason for not being successfull - nobody gives them any money to farm. Nobody gives the white farmers any money either, but they work for what they have ! And through all of this apartheid gets blamed for all their failures, which is the fault of the white skins, somehow. We'll hear the same in another 17 years and 17 years after that.

    There was 126 000 farmers in SA in the old SA - today there are only about 35 000. Many farmers leave SA to go live in other countries. The same is happening here that happened in Zimbabwe. No farmer no food eh.

    So to say this is payback is utter nonsense ok, this is outright racism and blatant murders orchestrated by the government. There is nothing that can justify what is happening here. The count of 3700 farmers killed does not even count other people killed in the towns and cities that is not farmers. We have a murder rate of like 75 per day, think how bad the other lesser crimes are.

    One last thing. Very very few crimes ever makes it to the media. This is so the world won't know what is really going on. Every one think it is going very well in SA.
     
  8. Fanie
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    Fanie Fanie

    I want to add and say that not all black people are bad. There are those that bring their side and many of them do pretty well. The first thing the anc did when they came into power was to change the education system. My son was one of those that went through this schooling system and when he was in standard 8 or grade 10 he couldn't read or write ! I thought I was going to blow a gasket. He lived with his mother then.

    The reason the schooling system was changed was so that people will stay uneducated because educated people will never vote for the anc - one way of staying in power. We have people of all ages in SA that has very limited education and almost zero skills. Stupid people are intimidated very easily and argue like standard 5 kids. What kind of a mentality can you expect !
     
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    Fanie it's a shame you can't somehow escape SA to live in more favorable conditions somewhere. It seems the world as a whole is currently unstable with problems rising everywhere. Found this article that seems to back up your perspective which you've expressed for quite some time.
     
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  10. Jenny Giles
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    You are reaping the whirlwind the Boers started a long time ago. Revenge is ugly and brutish. You just have the bad luck to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
     
  11. Fanie
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    My brother is involved with a development program in one of the African countries. They have been living there like they do in mud huts for the last 4000 years. There was no development and it is like that through out Africa. Many of those people do not even know that white people exist and see them now for the first time ! Scary !

    Bamby, that article was written 5 years ago. The pace has since picked up quite a bit since because the anc feels the 'land reform' is going too slow, and it seems they want to start executing their plans a lot faster now. There are around 3 million whites in SA as to around 50 million black people. More than 8 million whites already left SA, and are still leaving.

    Just picking up and leave is not so easy. I hve a whole lifetime's development in my place here, and I am almost in a position where I can finally start my boating project, something I have been saving and building up over the last 6+ years. We also have family and friends. And besides, this is my country, my life is here.

    Jenny, you obviously know nothing of our hstory. If the whites were to take revenge on what happened in SA before we even became a republic I can assure you we would have had much less of a problem. Perhaps that was our mistake. Maybe we should have gotten rid of the problem completely once and for all instead of trying to uplift them to our level :( I'm sure that would get your respect.

    I'm curious to know what this 'whirlwind' is you say the Boers started a long time ago ?

    BTW, the black people in SA were not here before Jan van Riebeeck set foot in the Cape. They moved down into what is today South Africa around the same time. So please don't think we invaded their country and took it from them. They didn't even have a fixed place they lived in but moved all the time, fighting with other tribes to take their wives and cattle.
     
  12. hoytedow
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    What minority did your tribe squash, Jenny, so you could wave the bloody shirt at others? Tasmanians, perhaps?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Tasmania_timeline

    "The indigenous population at the time of British settlement in 1803 has been estimated at 5 000 [1] but through persecution (see Black War and Black Line) and disease much of the population was eradicated. The impact of introduced diseases, prior to the first European estimates of the size of Tasmania's population, means that the original indigenous population could have been somewhat larger than 5,000. The last surviving members are thought to have died in Hobart, with the last full-blooded Tasmanian Aborigine thought to be Trugernanner[2]"
     
  13. hoytedow
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    Not only whites behave badly.:
    http://www.enotes.com/genocide-encyclopedia/zulu-empire

    "Already in the 1820s, when Europeans began expanding into the lands of the Zulus and their immediate neighbors, a territory that the Europeans called Natal, Europeans used Shaka's alleged atrocities to justify their own activities. As elsewhere in the colonized world, Europeans portrayed themselves as saving native peoples from the often deadly upheavals fomented by the natives' own leaders. In the Zulu case, however, this rhetoric ultimately became a highly detailed and well-developed complex of stories and historical arguments, all centered around Shaka and the chain of events that he allegedly set in motion, which became known as the mfecane.

    According to European accounts of the mfecane, Shaka revolutionized African society, politics, and especially warfare. In this version of the events, the entire Zulu kingdom became a permanent standing army, highly centralized, disciplined, and aggressive. Not only did Shaka and his armies attack their immediate neighbors, they also chased refugees for hundreds, even thousands, of miles, sending them as far away as the Great Lakes region of East Africa. In the process, Shaka's forces supposedly killed more than a million Africans, a figure which received the sanction of authority when it was cited by Hannah Arendt in The Origins of Totalitarianism (1951). At the same time, most of South Africa was cleared of its inhabitants, becoming "empty land" conveniently awaiting colonization by Boer trekkers and British settlers."
     
  14. troy2000
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    So where's the right-wing press, like Fox News and talk radio? I don't remember them exactly focusing on the problem, either--even before Obama was nominated, much less elected.

    Here's a wild and crazy thought: maybe everything in the world can't be blamed on Obama, and/or 'liberals.'
     

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    But maybe it can.:rolleyes:
     
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