Routed core spar idea

laukejas

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Yet another thread about spars from me :D But this time not so much asking for advice, but rather sharing an idea. I am sure I am not the first to come up with this, but surprisingly I've never seen it mentioned anywhere when it comes to building wooden spars (masts, booms, yards, etc.). Typically the suggested options are:

1) Solid spar made from 2 planks glued together and rounded over - cheap, fast, simple, heavy;
2) Birdsmouth - complicated and time consuming but lightweight;
3) Gluing together a hollow structure with copperhead joints or some form of square hole geometry - also quite complex and time consuming.

Some many years ago an idea popped into my head - who not do the 1# option, but before gluing the two planks together, use a round-head router bit to carve out a semi-circle groove along the length of each plank? For clarification, here are a few pics of how you would do it:

1. Get two planks
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2. Use a router bit like this one (few bucks from Ali, even for really large ones)

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then mount a router upside down on the table with a few guides, and route out the middle in each plank. If the dimensions are really large, you can make several routing passes with incrementally increasing cut depth.

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3. Glue the planks together;

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4. Taper the stock with some hand planes or whatever, and then round off as usual.

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Obviously you wouldn't route the groove right to the ends of the planks to keep spars sealed, and you can also skip the groove in high-stress locations (ex. mast partner). So in reality the cross section could look something like this:

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I exaggerated the dimensions of this spar in these pics for clarity.

I've actually built 2 spars (boom and yard) for a small dinghy I've built some 10 years ago with this method, and it was super easy, they both turned out very lightweight compared to solid pieces, and I've never managed to break them.

The way I see the pros and cons of this method compared to the others:

Pros:
1. Almost as simple to make as the solid spar, just need a router, though I suppose it could be done with tablesaw or even some hand tools too, and saves a lot of weight.
2. If you taper the spar, you are actually reducing the wall thickness, meaning you save a lot weight with very little taper while losing very little stiffness (because you can't taper too much before you run out of wall thickness). This seems to be much more efficient tapering than birdsmouth, where the wall thickness is often unnecessarily thick at the end of the tapered spar.

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Cons:
1. Grain direction will inevitably be bad somewhere along the circumference of the spar, so you'd probably want to keep wall thickness bit higher than in birdsmouth to compensate. Of course you can build this spar from 4 planks instead of 2 with grain running at 45° on each plank, a little bit more complex but not really.
2. Since wall thickness is being reduced as the spar is tapered, I suppose it isn't the best choice for masts with very high compressive forces due to risk of wall buckling.

Can't really think of any other cons. Again, I'm sure I didn't invent this, but I couldn't find any info on this build method anywhere, and it really worked out for me when I tried this, so I'd thought I'd share this. If you have any comments, feel free to share.
 
Congratulations on re-inventng what used to be the standard way to produce hollow wooden spars.I'm not sure if Uffa Fox's books would have described the method,but his pre WW2 International 14's had masts made this way and with an integral groove for the luff rope.

It is a safer way to proceed than using a stationary saw with the guards removed and the hollowing can follow the outside shape of the mast.I would advocate that you press ahead.
 
Congratulations on re-inventng what used to be the standard way to produce hollow wooden spars.I'm not sure if Uffa Fox's books would have described the method,but his pre WW2 International 14's had masts made this way and with an integral groove for the luff rope.

It is a safer way to proceed than using a stationary saw with the guards removed and the hollowing can follow the outside shape of the mast.I would advocate that you press ahead.

Any idea why this method fell out of favor, and is not mentioned anywhere these days? I've read so many boatbuilding books and magazines, seen so many videos and tutorials on making wooden spars, yet never came across this method. Does it have some serious issues I'm not aware of?
 
Any idea why this method fell out of favor, and is not mentioned anywhere these days? I've read so many boatbuilding books and magazines, seen so many videos and tutorials on making wooden spars, yet never came across this method. Does it have some serious issues I'm not aware of?
Extruded aluminimum, the length of clear stock needed, and it is very difficult to support the stock and center the tool unless you already have a spar bench and the tooling. Plus can you be absolutely assured that the void is centered in the finished spar without a spar lathe?
 
Any idea why this method fell out of favor, and is not mentioned anywhere these days? I've read so many boatbuilding books and magazines, seen so many videos and tutorials on making wooden spars, yet never came across this method. Does it have some serious issues I'm not aware of?


Most hollow mast techniques were developed for larger masts for larger yachts.

Small routers are not up to the task of routing out large masts.
 
Extruded aluminimum, the length of clear stock needed, and it is very difficult to support the stock and center the tool unless you already have a spar bench and the tooling. Plus can you be absolutely assured that the void is centered in the finished spar without a spar lathe?

True, getting clear stock is an issue... But as far as centering goes, it wasn't that difficult. I mounted a router upside down on a table, and then clamped two guide planks on top of the table, forming a corridor that is exactly the width of the wood stock. It did have a little friction, but not too bad. In the end the groove was centered within 0.5mm I'd say. But since both planks would be run through the same setup, I figure they could be oversized a little bit, and afterwards planed down to the right dimension by removing material from the side that ended up with a larger wall thickness. And for the final step of tapering and rounding, I suppose if you mark the work piece properly, there simply aren't enough steps for errors to add up to anything significant...

Most hollow mast techniques were developed for larger masts for larger yachts.

Small routers are not up to the task of routing out large masts.

Interesting point, I haven't thought of that. I always figured it is definitely worth hollowing spars even for small boats, even if for making carrying spars around easier, not to mention less weight aloft for balancing the boat with bodyweight...
 
True enough that small routers won't be able to hollow out substantial masts.Back when lots of wooden masts were being made for dinghies,there would have been few routers in boatyards but there would have been men skilled in the use of gouges and hollowing planes.A bit of searching might reveal a few books from the time in which the process was described.
These links may be useful: https://www.pdracer.com/mast/hollow-mast/mast-cross.gif How to Build a Wooden Mast - Mastering Skills with the WoodenBoat School https://skills.woodenboat.com/articles/how-to-build-a-wooden-mast/
 
Back in the day, masts of that sort were fairly common. I had more than one mast for a Moth made that way. We did not have small routers on every workbench but we did have 5 to 10 horsepower shapers that could make whatever design we chose. The moth spars were streamlined, had slots for bolt ropes, some had places along the length of the mast that were left solid in order to accommodate fasteners for shrouds and f0orestays.
 
True enough that small routers won't be able to hollow out substantial masts.Back when lots of wooden masts were being made for dinghies,there would have been few routers in boatyards but there would have been men skilled in the use of gouges and hollowing planes.A bit of searching might reveal a few books from the time in which the process was described.
These links may be useful: https://www.pdracer.com/mast/hollow-mast/mast-cross.gif How to Build a Wooden Mast - Mastering Skills with the WoodenBoat School https://skills.woodenboat.com/articles/how-to-build-a-wooden-mast/

The illustrations in that second link are absolutely amazing. Yes, the build method is indeed almost the same.

Back in the day, masts of that sort were fairly common. I had more than one mast for a Moth made that way. We did not have small routers on every workbench but we did have 5 to 10 horsepower shapers that could make whatever design we chose. The moth spars were streamlined, had slots for bolt ropes, some had places along the length of the mast that were left solid in order to accommodate fasteners for shrouds and f0orestays.

I figure that with even with a small router, it should be possible to make these grooves by incrementally increasing cut depth, or first using smaller bits and then advancing to larger ones, right? Just more time consuming.

Also, I wonder, are my assumptions about tapering correct? That with this method, tapering is more efficient in terms of strength/weight as it allows to remove more material if required, while keeping OD larger than it would be in birdsmouth (where wall thickness is constant), therefore having more stiffness?
 
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I would always advocate this approach over a birdsmouth spar as the options are greater in range.
 
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