river boat ( adventure? )

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  1. Pericles
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    No its not ! :)

    It hardly happens at all, and never in the last 7 years with someone in a boat


    www.shallowwaterdrowningstats.org
     
  3. Liighthead
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    haha quite random, poor people though :(
    yeah worked with wood a bit doing other things :)
     
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    RW,

    Waterboarding stats not included. :D:D
     
  5. Liighthead
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    had quite a random thought, what about a pedal powered "chugger" ( or well punt even )
    with something like a stern drive at the back, and a electric( or petrol ) backup engine?

    so would all go out the same shaft, but could go from pedal power.. to petrol if wanted

    but controlls would be closer to the front ect

    gonna do some drawings in a sec...
    but was thinking if could get it so when not in use itll just sit there and spin freely like a bike does when u dont pedal...
    but then when kick in the engine ( electric or petrol ) can do it that way to

    i think it would haha, not sure if itll blow up but could also thro gear's in their ( change gear ratio on the go while pedaling, or set to a decent ratio n turn on engine, probably blow up ? =D )
     
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    how can i work out about how much the boat will carry, weight wise..
    to work out with small eski/battery(s)?/motor/me/other gear if any
     
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    Liighthead,

    The content of your question suggests that a change of direction might be advisable for you. A dory consists of two sides, bottom and small transom. It is designed to carry loads of fish and becomes more stable the heavier it is loaded. Here is a link to a video about Portuguese cod fishermen on the Grand banks in 1966. They hand lined from dories, as did their ancestors in the 15th Century.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Git-48_CPww

    Assuming you can nail a few bits of wood together, here are the parts on full view.

    http://www.oldwharf.com/projects/gallery.pl?type=gallery&item_id=10

    Easy to row, stable in use and a great load carrier, you should be able to adapt the build to use the materials that are available to you. Clamp on an electric trolling motor and have fun.

    Regards.
     
  8. Liighthead
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    thanks for that and yeah, their a nice boat..
    personally i rather a flat stern, because dont always paddle, well hopfully when get setup wont paddle much ( electric or petrol motor .. hopfully )

    though i know what your saying more stability is always handy, and dont really like taking bits and peices from different designs that are proven to work, just person preference.. was thinking about it a bit ( may change as everything does )

    a flat bottom punt, with sides like a dory.. so still have that flat bottom design i like ( some shallow parts here and their ect )... and the sides leanning out like a dory ( and well most boats really ) to give it more stability ect

    thoughts?

    also: nice vid :) those older doc's are good to watch

    EDIT: something like this lumberyard skiff http://www.oldwharf.com/ow_workskiffs.html
    but yeah smallr one

    or something like http://www.oldwharf.com/projects/gallery.pl?type=gallery&item_id=8 haha, that kind of idea.. not sure which will work when its smaller
     
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    I ordered a set of Walter Baron's LYS plans yesterday and we're building the building to build the 20 footer. It should be completed in about three weeks, the building, not the skiff. :cool:

    I explained to Walter that I shall modify his design by incorporating a Poole Canoe outboard well and using epoxy resins and glass cloth for a longer lasting boat.

    http://intheboatshed.net/2009/12/26/poole-canoes-the-motorised-skiffs-of-poole-harbour/


    You wrote "a flat bottom punt, with sides like a dory." The flared sides are flexed outwards naturally when joined from the angled stem to the transom. The greater the angle of the stem the wider the flare. Make a model from thin card and experiment.

    Leaving the chine edge straight creates rocker in the bottom. Cut a shallow concave curve in the chine edge eliminates the rocker. It'll help you understand how boat shapes are evolved.

    Build dory or skiff, either will be a better investment of your time than trying to reinvent the wheel. :)

    Regards.
     

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  10. Liighthead
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    nice and shed(?ish building ) should be good when its done :)

    a skiff would be perferable, and yeah was just looking at the angle on the dory going :/ oh boy that aint gonna work.

    ticks all the boxes having a good look at it lol
    just getting it all the right sizes ect onto wood and into a boat :)

    having a look around found these 2,
    ones like 7ft made from 2 sheets of ply http://koti.kapsi.fi/hvartial/dinghy1/simboii.htm
    and ones 10 n 1/2 ft made from again 2 sheets http://koti.kapsi.fi/hvartial/skiff/skiff.htm

    only difference is the 7ft has part of a sheet left over ... so that 10 ft ones looking tempting but yeah lol
    still and yeah this sounds stupid, the 7ft one ticks all the boxes. the 10ft seams bit long for well 1 person in mostly shallow water.. heavyier ect lol

    thoughts?
    very tempted to go with the 10ft one seams right :p
     
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  12. Pericles
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    Build the biggest you can accomodate. Imagine your regret if you had to cease fishing, because the boat was loaded to its gunnels with your catch. :eek:
     
  13. Liighthead
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    haha yeah, well down here theirs that many laws with fishing ect, reach bag limit way before fill up a boat, even in a 14ft punt with 3 average sized guys in it, 2 eski's fishing gear ect..

    filled up on about 15 pearch, 3 cod between us and then it was about time to head back... ran out of beer :(

    thing im worried about is towing it around ect, will have to use a bike and trailer or well a trailer and my legs haha
     
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    Hand hauled eh! How far do you live from the river shown in your second post? Is it a river or is it the waste water flowing from the Heinz factory, that is/was made available for farmers for irrigation and stock use? Google maps and Wikipedia are a great source of information; just not for use as a reference.

    There are powered trailer dollies.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/TRAILER-MOV...990?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35be6c76a6

    http://www.parkit360.ca/?gclid=CO2MyO-MtbECFRMgtAodei4AdA

    Best of luck.
     

  15. Liighthead
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    haha they're pretty cool :D
    well atm might be moving down to the mornington peninsula, :/ depends where i can find a job.. that river is about 30min from where im living atm, theirs 2 lakes about 14kms away haha yeah doesnt really help, but could put it on back of a trailer ( or in my ute not sure if itll fit though have to check )

    down on the mornington peninsula, im about 1k from the beach, theirs a swampy land out the back but only eels and turtles in their havnt seen any fish so if down their most likley have to goto the beach, and if stay up here then most likley have to drive their haha

    was thinking of a simple frame with 2 bike wheels.. that attaches to back of a bike? if that wouldnt work, maybe motorize it or well put it in back of ute/in trailer and go go lol prefer bike tho
     
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