Richard II

The thing is, I fear his adversarial style when dealing with buffoons and other bullies new to the site actually often made the situation worse. Telling another bully or "fool" that they are a ******* rather than countering the bully with facts (which stand on their own and are irrefutable) seems to only result in the other person taking an equally adversarial stand and striking back with more distraction and hostility. Then other professionals also take the brunt of the counter attack after Richard ruffled the feathers. Possibly he turned away fools with stupid questions, but it seems simply ignoring someone who is "too stupid" to spend your time on and letting another amateur help them would be preferable. Everyone starts somewhere.

I will genuinely miss all the parts of his posts that didn't contain insults or attacks or cursing or bullying, and wish him the best. He certainly had his strengths and was a real asset when not being rude or attacking others. I wish he would have been willing to put aside the attacks and insults or make some concession to reducing such behavior at least, and regret that he was unwilling to do this, thus resulting in his forum account being banned.

 

I think that's an excuse. The forum I spend most of my time on is UK based (bit-tech.net) with primarily UK members and has nowhere near the amount of acrimony you see here. They have a dedicated team of volunteer moderators who maintain respect and civility amongst the members. Occasionally people can't manage to behave this way and they get the ban hammer. We have very strident debates on the whole range of topics (some of them over and over and over again ), but at the end of the day we agree to disagree respectfully and go on with our lives. Sure, sometimes there are difficulties in communication and customs, and some people don't speak English as their primary language, but so long as they are respectful it all works. Calling someone an idiot or worse is disrespectful in any language or culture.

 

I've now merged the Richard and the Richard II thread to keep things in one place.

 

I agree with this, but my problem in this case is that Richard was unwilling to follow the rules, flat-out refused to change his behavior and instead insisted on continuing to insult and attack other members including myself, but also including many others. No one has ever been banned because of what they have posted factually about boats or engineering. If you don't like someone's personality, put them on your ignore list. Richard refused to do this and instead insisted on insulting people he did not like. I will miss the knowledge he shared. Hopefully, others who have been offended by his comments will now share their boat design knowledge to fill the void and move forward since he left no better option with his refusal to cease his insults and attacks against others. I do regret the way this played out, but in this case I do not think Richard left another option with his response "Kiss my ***."

 

There is a point in every boat project where the whole works truly go to crap- at least temporarily. The part gets stuck or breaks and no amount of the ritual swearing is of any help. No one is happy- not the boat, the part or the worker..

I had to apologize to Richard once and he told me that 'The ability to apologize makes for a civilized place and none are exempted from the need on occasion'.

Most err more from the weight of outside concerns than from the task at hand.
I can only hope that some resolution can be found to each of these struggles.

 

I have been solicited by another member to put in a "Good Word" for Apex1.

It matters Not to me as I really dont care one way or the other.

being that he is no longer here to make rebuttals I wont get into my opinion of his charactor as it would be a Moot point.

It did make for a Colourful Bantering of differering opinions.



I dont know what transpired betwween Richard and the Moderator and I have NEVER EVER MAde any Complaints to anyone about Richard( Apex1).

When he would insult me or verbally abuse me I would simply respond to him in a Language that he would understand.

I Dont WHine to Other People . I confront the agressorers directly.

so dont go pointing your little crooked liberal finger at me.


I have never asked anyone to Ban Anyone and never will.

Its Not the correct Free American Way.



Capt Walt

LIVE FREE or DIE!

 

You would swear too if you had to hear a persisent litany of racial slurs and innuendos, Nazi references and the like. Such things build animosity and Richard received more than his fair share of it. Needless to say he didn't suffer fools gladly and on top of his personal losses of those he loved most in this world he finally was driven to the point to erupt. The whole scenario is unfortunate and let those who are without sin cast the first stone.

 

Well said.

 

It is regrettable that things could not be worked out with Richard. I did appreciate his strong points.

However, it has now been five days and no apology or concession to reduce his insults or attacks on others was received from Richard - Richard has left his position to

and this is unacceptable. I do not know of any forum where it is acceptable to direct the moderator to "kiss my ***" and continue to call people *******s, twats, retards, dumb nickles, etc.

Instead of putting someone he disliked on his ignore list when that option was advocated, he absolutely refused to do so and insisted on continuing to build the animosity and continue to fight with them until things got even uglier.

I believe extreme leniency was shown to him over the last year in respect of his experience despite his repeatedly insulting others; the hope was that Richard's forum behavior would improve with time and subtle correction requests such as not calling people *******s, but unfortunately he reached the point where he demanded that posts of his calling others "retards" be unmoderated and he flat-out refused to stop insulting people, responding "kiss my ***".

I wish Richard all the best and hope he finds happiness. I really value all the people with diverse talents who come here and help make this the special place it is, but if someone does not like the site or the community that has been built here over 10 years and absolutely refuses to follow the rules and be civil to others and responds to a request to reduce their insults with "kiss my ***", they are free to leave.

This thread is now being closed.

 

Where is Richard ?

Hi Guys,

Where is Richard alias Apex1 ?

 

Looks like you missed this thread

Cheers,
Angel

 

Ok thanks for the PM's.

Yes Richard is a proud no nonsense old buzzard, I can see the 'KISS MY *** WITH YOUR BD.NET' as an 'appropriate response' from him - he will ask no favours and won't give any, LOL.

It's a shame he got banned though, I got some valuable responses from him many times and learned a great deal from him.

Although he is so hard headed doesn't mean every one else should be the same as well.

I also want to say that some guys work hard on the forums assisting others and they get a bit of recognition for it in the form of rep points - the real recognition one expects is just a bit of respect from others, especially new guys, some of whom really doesn't know squat yet take on a person with a world of experience and knowlege - why aren't these guys being rapped before things get out of hand ?

Just because you don't use 'bad' words doesn't mean you cannot be rude and disrespectfull.

Personally I would like to see Richard back, how about it Boat Design Net Moderator ?
Can you find it in your heart to forgive and let Ricard back in ?

Be a good example for the rest of us to forgive each other our sins...


Thanks for checking.

 

Oh yes, he gave favors.. but not on demand!

I consider this a big favor that many on the forum received from him...

Second that

Cheers,
Angel

 

can think of planty of insults made
didnt know this yet miss him too, but hmm..
dont think Apex1 will smoothen his lines
well to each his own and my best to all
and keep this good forum going Jeff

 

Hi Yipster,

I have long ago realized I cannot change other people - starting with me old witch ,
so I accept everyone as they are - it is what makes them them.

If I want to have buddies and hold hands and have deep meaningfull relayionships I will join Facebook 4 5 c.

My foremost reason for coming here is to learn from the best (imho),
to me it doesn't matter how rough a person is, or how nice words they use.
I would rather have the right answer even if it doesn't sound elegant.

I'm not saying one should accept or allow abuse, of course not, no one wants that,
there are however ways to get around that without banning them.

What makes Jeff's forum so special is that you can come here and hear the right
and correct answers from the best - like Richard, Par, Masalai (if you are into gold ),
I cannot possibly name every one here, each bring something special to the table.

Thanks for the reply.