Refloating the Concordia

Discussion in 'All Things Boats & Boating' started by Minusadegree, Feb 26, 2012.

  1. Frosty

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    Paddy Mc Murphies have quoted 50 quid, if they can keep the Guiness on board.
     
  2. Pascal Warin
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    Impressive !
     
  3. DCockey
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    What does this comment on the Daily Mail website contribute to this discussion? Also you incorrectly attributed it.
     
  4. smartbight
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    It is a 'comment' made by a Mr Scott in the Comments section, right under the article. I thought it would 'liven up' the discussion especially after the way BP trashed the GOM. Mr Scott may own stocks in SMIT :D

    Mr Scott may have been alarmed like I was when I read about many American companies' salvage plans. Most of them were talking about slicing the hull like 'baloney' and carting the pieces on barges. A sure way to trash the place for the next 100 years just like BP did in the GOM.
    Refloating the ship is the clean way to go. Americans/Dutch/British and others can do it (with the threat of huge fines if they piss in the drink !).
    It is important that we keep those 'pristine' water pristine. It is good news; I thought the Med had been totally polluted a long time ago.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lvage-stricken-cruise-ship.html#ixzz1qzCI08uI
     
  5. DCockey
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    "Scott" was replying to a previous comment left on the Daily Mail website by "Chris" which "Scott" quoted. Click "View All" on the link to see all the comments. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lvage-stricken-cruise-ship.html#ixzz1qw7IwyLY The quotes from the website in posts #29 and #34 are incomplete. Below are un-edited copies of the relevant comments on the website.

    "Please don't let the Americans anywhere nearthis wreck. they can only be described as cowboys in this industry, they will cause more damage to this place than if the vessel was just left to break up. Smit are the best in the world, second to none. they have a proven track record and will do the job correctly. they might charge a bit more, but they will get the job done." - Chris, NARKED OF TAX PAYER Wow, no hate there, huh Chris?
    - Scott, Tampa Bay, USA, 2/4/2012 7:45


    Please don't let the Americans anywhere nearthis wreck. they can only be described as cowboys in this industry, they will cause more damage to this place than if the vessel was just left to break up. Smit are the best in the world, second to none. they have a proven track record and will do the job correctly. they might charge a bit more, but they will get the job done.
    - Chris, NARKED OF TAX PAYER, 1/4/2012 16:279

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lvage-stricken-cruise-ship.html#ixzz1qw7IwyLY

    Perhaps you could provide a link/reference to the information about the "American companies' salvage plans".
     
  6. smartbight
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    Here is one.
    http://www.odin.tc/news/read.asp?articleID=571
    There was another outfit prescribing the use of chains similar to what the Dutch used on the Kurks (see picture). I'll keep looking for them.
    As far as I am concerned I don't care if they drink Guinness, Coor, or Heineken on the job. As long as they don't piss in the drink. I am sure the Italians told all final bidders they did not want 'chunks' in their soup. They are worried the whales might choke on them :D

     

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  7. smartbight
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    Ten companies were asked to bid on salvaging the Costa Concordia.

    Costa Lines had asked ten companies to bid on salvaging the Costa Concordia: Smit Salvage, Svitzer Salvage, Mammoet Salvage, Titan Salvage, Resolve Marine Group, T&T Bisso Salvage, Donjon Marine, Tito Neri, Fukada Salvage & Marine and Nippon Salvage.

    Of the 10 salvage companies asked to bid on the contract, three opted not to bid due to previous commitments. In addition, two have joined forces to present a joint project. Six plans have been submitted.
    The six plans involve different approaches and techniques.
    Technical assessments of the six plans are under way.
    http://www.travelagentcentral.com/cruises/six-plans-submitted-removal-costa-concordia-34043

    <<Euro Demolition and Texas-based salvage firm T&T Bisso are partnering on a proposal to cut up the ship. "We think there's too much weight and too much damage to refloat it," Tromps says. Using cranes armed with metal shears capable of slicing five-centimeter-thick steel, the companies would carve the wreck into liftable chunks 200 to 300 metric tons in weight. Afterward, they would use electromagnets three meters in diameter to clean the seafloor of debris.>>
    http://www.scientificamerican.com/a...w-will-italian-cruise-ship-be-salvaged&page=2
     
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  8. Frosty

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    If I was in charge of it and it was my ship I think I would weld in some re bar into the hole and weld up or plate as much as possible, then cement over it inside and out.

    This would take about a week, then pump it out. This is if its past it point of no return and wont right itself. If it will right itself then whats the problem.

    If that the case the top of the ship will have to be braced to the Island so it did not roll away and would be the biggest job.

    117 million ? --I see a bit of profit there.
     
  9. Minusadegree
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    Sounds good frosty. But the angle of self righting might be too great and could cause the ship to fall off the ledge and lay on its side causing cabin windows an doors to cave in and further flood the vessel.
     
  10. Frosty

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    Thats why I said the top of the ship needs bracing to the island somehow to hold it upright when its buoyancy increases to the point that it will lift of its perch. Rather like holding a yacht from the top of the mast.

    A dozen or so A frames welded to the hull so it wont go any further. When it lfoats the hull should move away from the island and settle under its supports
     
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    "Civil Protection official Fabrizio Curcio told reporters at a conference on the island that he expected contracts to be signed by the end of April and the operation to begin in mid-May.

    Sources close to the operation said two consortia were on the short list to carry out the salvage work. One was composed of Smit Salvage of the Netherlands and Italy's Neri and the other by Titan Salvage of the United States and Micoperi of Greece."

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/12/italy-concordia-idUSL6E8FC63720120412
     
  12. troy2000
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    Looks like Americans got the contract anyway, or at least a piece of it -- and it looks like they aren't going to cut her up in place instead of re-floating her.
     
  13. bntii
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    The whole operation would make for a decent documentary for techies- I hope they document the process with film etc.

    Any word yet on how they are going to go about it?
     
  14. Saildude
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    Don't worry - they will make a documentary out of it - but if past history is any indicator it will be dumbed way down with most of the tech stuff glossed over at best - look for a lot of street theater with people yelling at each other - - with a lot of luck one of the engineering pubs will have an article on the salvage and they will show the details -
     

  15. mydauphin
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    This might be one of the few big salvages that is done in plain sight. Should be interesting. I think it is also largest. I wonder why they just dont weld some plats and refloat like Battleships in Pearl Harbor.
     
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