Port Orford Cedar vs Western Red Cedar?

Discussion in 'Wooden Boat Building and Restoration' started by Thomas Wick, Apr 19, 2007.

  1. PAR
    Joined: Nov 2003
    Posts: 19,133
    Likes: 494, Points: 93, Legacy Rep: 3967
    Location: Eustis, FL

    PAR Yacht Designer/Builder

    The cedars are nice for small boat planking (tradisional), but usually too light for larger craft, say over 30' LOD. Spanish cedar is heavier and generally not used as planking stock on small boats, but a much better version of the species.

    Black pine is even lighter then eastern white pine, making for fine spars of moderate length. In longer sticks (hollow of course) the spruces don't fair as well as more dense lumbers, like Douglas fur.

    Rusty I'll drop you an email.
  2. Rusty Bucket
    Joined: Feb 2007
    Posts: 76
    Likes: 5, Points: 0, Legacy Rep: 26
    Location: florida

    Rusty Bucket Junior Member

    Poplar wood

    Hey Alan, I don't intend to use the stuff in a boat but thought maybe somebody else might be interested. This poplar looks just like the stuff they have in the fancy wood dept. at Lowes. It's green and purple and has a nice dense feel, I'm going to make a picture frame for a print I just bought. A 1x6x8 of this stuff a Lowes was $17.10, does make nice railroad ties though. Here's what I did with the 2x6's, see picture, regards rusty
    Last edited: May 2, 2007
  3. alan white
    Joined: Mar 2007
    Posts: 3,731
    Likes: 122, Points: 0, Legacy Rep: 1404
    Location: maine

    alan white Senior Member

    The green/purple stuff is a great wood for painted cabinetry, in any case. They use it a lot to core cabinet plywood.
    Picture? I'll refresh--- looks like an edit.

  4. Rusty Bucket
    Joined: Feb 2007
    Posts: 76
    Likes: 5, Points: 0, Legacy Rep: 26
    Location: florida

    Rusty Bucket Junior Member

    Where's the picture?

    Hey Alan, I don't know where the picture went, I tried to post it two different ways, first I tried to use attachments but couldn't open the window. I then just submitted the text and went back and tried to edit the picture in. That seemed like it worked but the picture seems to have vanished. I'll try again, regards, rusty........It worked this time.

    Attached Files:

    Last edited: May 3, 2007
  5. woodrat
    Joined: May 2007
    Posts: 15
    Likes: 0, Points: 0, Legacy Rep: 10
    Location: Skamokawa, WA

    woodrat Junior Member

    There is a guy in Port Townsend, WA who has a stash of nice OG PO cedar. He sometimes runs an ad in the back of Wooden Boat. PM me if you would like his contact info.

    I have a portable sawmill and see all kinds of wood, but I rarely come across any PO cedar that is old, tight grain. It has a fatal root disease that gets most of it these days before it has a chance to get big. I do see a lot of Sitka Spruce in my neighborhood and occasionally some nice stuff, but all the clears I have right now are 7/8" thick boards that I set aside for skin on frame kayak building.
  6. alan white
    Joined: Mar 2007
    Posts: 3,731
    Likes: 122, Points: 0, Legacy Rep: 1404
    Location: maine

    alan white Senior Member

    Looks like it just rolls out like a venetian blind! Thanks, Rusty. I miss a lot of responses until later, lke this one, and others (Bourbon Dolphin thread, e.g.), I can't get rid of!
    Nice porch.

  7. jchumphrey
    Joined: Sep 2008
    Posts: 1
    Likes: 0, Points: 0, Legacy Rep: 10
    Location: PA & HI

    jchumphrey New Member

    While I know that this thread is a bit old, I just ran across it and feel that I should defend poplar somewhat. Poplar has a very wide sapwood that is very prone to rot but the very green heartwood is significantly less prone. I have seen barn beams in PA that are riddled with rot and powder post beetles in the sapwood but are still very solid and clear of infection in the heartwood. Perhaps this is the confusion between white poplar and green poplar.
  8. rwatson
    Joined: Aug 2007
    Posts: 5,887
    Likes: 312, Points: 83, Legacy Rep: 1749
    Location: Tasmania,Australia

    rwatson Senior Member

    That works out to nearly $10,000 per cubic metre if my poor maths works out.

    I could import some of the best boatbuilding timber in the world for $3000-$3500 per cubic metre Australian.

    There has to be some major mistake there - or I have found a whole new export business.

  9. TollyWally
    Joined: Mar 2005
    Posts: 774
    Likes: 26, Points: 0, Legacy Rep: 423
    Location: Fox Island

    TollyWally Senior Member

    For what it's worth, I'm a builder/carpenter (more hammer than clipboard). Cedar prices are high and getting higher. I just bought 1 clear (almost) 4x4x10' for $50.00. In these parts high class cedar is available from gyppo mills out of the classifieds etc. a couple of weeks per month at relatively decent prices.

    Nice material is nice to work with. At a certain point one must settle for copper over gold. That said, the price of the wood in the hull should be weighed against the whole. Sometimes an extra thousand here or there makes no difference in the long run. LOL, of course it doesn't seem that way when you are shelling out the dough! :(
Forum posts represent the experience, opinion, and view of individual users. Boat Design Net does not necessarily endorse nor share the view of each individual post.
When making potentially dangerous or financial decisions, always employ and consult appropriate professionals. Your circumstances or experience may be different.