Poor man’s passagemaker

Discussion in 'Boat Design' started by Milan, Sep 24, 2010.

  1. Maddie
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    Maddie Junior Member

    I saw this statement in Wharram's FAQ.

    By international law any boat over 20 m (just over 65 foot) or carrying over 12 passengers comes under Big Ship Regulations. You have to decide for yourself if you want to comply with these regulations.

    Can anyone explain this?
    How does this affect passagemaking?
    Will these regs affect the costs?

    I searched the net, but can't get info. This appears to mean increased regulations/problems above the 20m size, which Apex believes is the minimum.
     
  2. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    About this:
    Wharram made that statement about the Islander 65 which just is under 20 m. That's why you officialy have a choise there to comply with these regulations or not.

    Better give a link so people can check for themselfs in which context that was said. The quoted part is at the bottom here.

    Cheers,
    Angel
     
  3. Maddie
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    Maddie Junior Member

    Sorry for not linking to him.

    My inquiry was this.

    What exactly are the Big ship regulations?

    Also, if I understand him correctly, it was compulsory for boats over 20m LOA. That was why he kept the design at 65', just under 20m, to prevent these regulations from affecting the design. The statement was definitive.

    By international law any boat over 20 m (just over 65 foot) or carrying over 12 passengers comes under Big Ship Regulations.

    Please clarify.

    For example, if I have a 25m design. Do I have to comply with these Big ship regulations? What are they? I have searched the net to no avail.
     
  4. apex1

    apex1 Guest

    That are the "trim tanks" or "ballast tanks" Angélique.
     
  5. apex1

    apex1 Guest

    It does not affect our boats Maddie, because it is not true. And there is no Big Ship regulation, Wharrham dreams.

    More than 12 passengers* is correct, but the 20m limit is not!

    If that* comes into play it will dramatically increase the cost, of course. You would need full professional crew with unlimited or passenger transport ticket (yachtmaster ocean is NOT), and fully certified and classed vessel.

    The size limit is 500 tonnes at present, under which you do NOT need to follow manning or class reg´s, given the vessel is registered as recreational craft. (though there are many more issues to be noticed, but thats not the topic here)

    So, don´t worry, the boats in question here, will never be affected.

    Regards
    Richard
    *passenger is every person on board a sailing craft which is not crew. No matter paying or not.
     
  6. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    Thanks! I was not sure if that was meant here by "kieptank" as "trim tanks" and "ballast tanks" are the normal nowadays words for that in Dutch too. So I doubted if there was a reason why it was called different in my source.

    I guess "kieptank" is a kind of obsolete Dutch word for that from the 20ies when these boats were developed.

    Thanks..!!

    Cheers,
    Angel
     
  7. Maddie
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    Maddie Junior Member

    Thanks, that answers my questions.
     
  8. dskira

    dskira Previous Member

    Wharrham loves to show his importance and charisma.
    His ego will suffice to propel his boats over the oceans full of woman, and with a book of the international regulations for him to read (inset of Playboy) :D
     
  9. wardd
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    wardd Senior Member

    what are these women wearing?
     
  10. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    Check post #93.

    Cheers,
    Angel
     
  11. wardd
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    wardd Senior Member

    that makes him important in my book

    but then I'm a male chauvinist pig
     
  12. apex1

    apex1 Guest

    Helmets.........







    to stand the bashing from a strong ego in a weak personality.:cool:
     
  13. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    I don't think that bad of you Wardd . . ;)

    Cheers!
    Angel
     
  14. Milan
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    Milan Senior Member

    Seems as a fun way to go sailing.

    We must all give him a credit for the fun factor at least. :)
     

  15. apex1

    apex1 Guest

    Well, I do!

    ...but then I cannot exclude me as well.:D
     
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