Political blurbs and agendas

That's good sw. I wasn't too worried about it. Have an enjoyable 2006 sw, I hope you catch lots of big fish you can tell your friends about. Please have an extra pint of grog for me over the holidays, that hasn't been in my diet for a while. Take care, and Happy Xmas.

 

No grog in the diet, good heavens Skippy you'll have to have some at this feastive time! Unless of course it's medical, in which case comiserations mate!
Whatever have yourself a Happy Christmas and a good New Year during which I'm sure we'll have some interesting conversations/ arguments - really look forward to it enjoy

 

No grog in the diet, good heavens Skippy you'll have to have some at this feastive time! Unless of course it's medical, in which case comiserations mate!
Whatever have yourself a Happy Christmas and a good New Year during which I'm sure we'll have some interesting conversations/ arguments - really look forward to it enjoy

 

Ahh - so the thread continues eh?

Right back from the start!

As we are being softenbed up in the media for the inevitable push into Iran - probably by March... one wonders f this thread will last long enough to prove my point.

My original point which was removed by Jeff - inimated - that one mans terrorist, may be another mans freedom fighter.

Media manipulation people - it's what the spook agencies do - on behalf of their govts. It's just that after so many years of it...they aren't very good at it any more (if experience has taught you what to look for!).

I just pointed out in my orooiginal post - that not everyones opinion - based on what they 'read in the media' will eventually stand the test of time.

From memory I think I pointed out - in the text Jeff removed - how even my own country - does just the same things as yours - in terms of 'screwing the pooch' as we like to call it downunder.

That is - to usurp the natural resources of another nation thru industrial espionage, call it investment, call it capital backing - call it whatever you want. The facts are - we look around for nations weaker than ourselves so we can get fioscal advantage by taking ownership of their natural resources for our own profit - to keep us in the manner to which we have grown accustomed.

The USA does it to OZ - we in turn do it to East Timor, and so on it goes - on down the line.

I remember when Janana Gusmayo was a Terrorist, because we were in cahoots with the indo's during Keatings reign, when our future was belived to lie in the Asian Tiger economies. Thats why Keating passed compulsory superanuationn contributions as part of any wage rises...then invested all our retirement / superannuation funds in Imelda Marcos' shoe collection!

Yes Ol Janana, he was a bad guy - because we didn't know about the timor sea oil and gas fields...so the balibo 5 were expendable and our respective govts turned a blind eye as Head hit man for the Indo's Wiranta murdered 2 Aussies Two Poms and an American journalist!

Then we found out about "peak oil" (Google Search it.. I dare you!).

Then Janana was a Fretlin "freedom fighter" or somesuch...

Then leader of the resistance

Then - the Dili Massacre occurred!

Then Aussie troops took east timor and Made ol Janan Gusmayo into El presidente - just like Kahzi is head of Afghanistan and the other See Eye Ehh man is head of Iraq.

All Gusmao had to do was sign over Timors rioghts to the Timor Sea Oil N gas!

Thats how the world Oil oligarchy work...

Course Jeff will have no option but to delete this as well - because those boys at the ol see Eye Ehh - don't want everyone knowing what ol trouty knows - doesn't look good when the truth outs!

And so - like Korea and then Vietnam before - (you) will end up not having the political will to stay the distance......someone will promise to bring the troops home and you'll elect him and he'll do that and the "terrorists" will have won.

It's just what happened in Afghanistan when the See Eye Ehh was backing the Mujahadine against the Ruskies with arms, cash and intel.

Only now - it's the Ruskies thru the Iranians, backing the insurgents in Iraq with weapons and manpower...to grind down the USA - just as the Mujahadine ground down the Russian invaders...

History repeats you see...

Soo - why will we be in Iran in only a few short months?

Sigh...

OK.

Iran - has started up it's Nuke reactor which Russia just built for them...
Last time they did this - the Israeli's flew a sortie over the middle east in close formation f15's? that had a radar signature which loooked like a passenger jet...

At the last minute they broke formation and bombed the Iranian reactor.

If the Israeli's don't likewise bomb this new reactor, I'll eat my hat.

You see...Even if they don't - the USA well might.

Whats it all about Alfie?

It's not about Nuclear Proliferation that much I can tell you!

If it was Kim Jong Ill wouldn't still be a walkin talkin time bomb!

So - whats it about?

You guessed it...Oil!

Here it is in a nutshell folks.

Weapons of mass dissapearance in Iraq?... Nahhh - Likewise it was about oil - and the state of the US economy! The gold standard is gone and the value of the US currency is pegged to the cost of west texas light (sweet) crude.

Why did we have to democratise Iraq?

Because that madman Saddam was selling OIL to the Eastern Europeands and frogs in Euro's!

If that was allowed to contnue and world oil contracts got signed in Euro's - what would keep the value of the US$ up?

Answer?.. Yup, Nuthin, Nada, big fat zero - enter another "great depression"! like the one of the 30's.

Sooo - easy - invade Iraq - and problem solvered...everyone gets the message! Hopefully!.

Except That idiot in Iran, Khatami?,....who is selling Iranian oil to the Russians and Eastern Europe - in yep - you guessed it - Euro's!

OOps - here we go again...look out Iran here we come.

And so - on and on it goes - more poor US kids from the lower socio demgraph go off to die in some sand hole in the middle east to preserve the American way of life...Oil at a buck a gallon!

To do so - they will committ a LOT more "collateral damage (thats dead wimmin and kids to the uninitiated).

And so them evil islamics will hate us all the more and want to suicide bomb us and blow up our buidings etc etc and destroy our economy and so on and on it goes...

Someone tell me where the offramp is?

It coulda been different, cept for that dreadfull day in Dealey Plaze Texas...when the "peoples president" JFK met his dreadfull end, and the country we know as the home of the free and the brave gave up it's right to be gioverened by the people for the people and gave over power without a struggle, to the oil oligarchy who run this world today!

Guess this won't last long - should I save a copy for later review?

Who knows what the future holds for any of us - but for those who can read the signs..it's not looking good IMHO.

Soo - just what are the Russiands saying about the fact that it LOOKS very much like Iran is about to be on the recieving end of shock and awe...just Like Iraq was?

You decide for yourselves.

http://www.rense.com/general69/tiddosdzdd27makes.htm

Cheers!

 

Trouty, I have two web forums for you. They mix cars and politics, not boats and politics................but close enough.

Small friendly group (Car Nuts):
http://www.carnuts.ws/viewforum.php?f=1

Larger more active Porsche group:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=31

Trouty, I trust this helps your need to express yourself. If it does not, and you want to dance with some very well read people, and no Trolls - I recommend the Charlie Rose forum.

C.R. Forum:
http://boards.charlierose.com/board/

A Cool little blog site (for fun):
http://www.apostropher.com/blog/

 

Trust me I'll take a look!

ut the fact is this is a boating forum and politics affects boats and boating whether we like it or not...and our open discussion forum is anything but open as proven by jeffs deletion of my original post...for "objectionable text"..

Who's objection?

Hardy Open discussion if someone can object and then remove a post..is it? - which is after all what this threads about (before it drifted off into a slanging match).

Here - this fella says it bettter than me!

http://www.teamliberty.net/id215.html

or this

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=9995

Just what is "objectionable text"?

Is it anything that doesn't agree with the big 5's media propaganda push to soften us up for the impending war with Iran?

I guess so, if Jeffs moderation of my original post is anything to go by!

That is after all the only 'reasonable' conclusion that can be drawn.....at such behaviour...on a thread debating 'political content' on a open discussion forum..

It doesn't surprise me at all..

I often get "banned" from al manner of websites all over the wordl becase people generally don't want to know "the truth".

Most are happy living with lies.

More power to em - there are many days I too would sooner live with the lie!

Cheers!

 

Than what?

Live with a lie - than face the unpalateable truth!.

Cheers!

 

There has got to be an easier way to earn a living.

Try this one - is it political?

The Canoe Race

A German company and an American company decided to have a canoe race. Both teams practiced long and hard to reach their peak performance before the race. On the big day the Germans won by a mile.

Afterward, the American team became very discouraged and depressed. The American company decided the reason for their crushing defeat had to be found. A Management Team made up of senior executives was formed to investigate and recommend appropriate action. They discovered that the German had 8 people rowing and 1 person steering, while the American team had 8 people steering and one person rowing.

The American Management Team hired a consulting firm to assist in analyzing this data, happily paying their considerable fee. After six months of hard work, the consulting firm concluded that too many people were steering the Americans' boat, while not enough people were rowing. So the American Team
acted:

To prevent losing to the Germans again the following year, the team's management structure was totally reorganized, to include 4 steering supervisors, 3 area steering superintendents and 1 assistant superintendent steering manager. They also implemented a new performance system that would give the 1 person rowing the boat greater incentive to work harder. It was called the Rowing Team Quality First Program, with meetings, dinners and free pens for the rower. In an all-out attempt to further provide empowerment and enrichment's to the rower, new paddles and medical benefit incentives were promised in exchange for a victory in the next competition.

The next race the Germans won by two miles. Humiliated, the American Management Team laid off the rower for poor performance, halted development of a new canoe, sold the paddles and canceled all capital investments for new equipment.

The money saved was distributed to the senior executives as bonuses for a job well done.

 

Katch your getting as bad a trouty with unpalatable truths -only more entertaining!

 

What I strongly object to is recieving email from members who have contributed 100s of posts about boat design - the primary focus of this site - that they have enjoyed the forum but are now choosing to leave because threads are wandering off-topic or because the political threads have offended them.

I don't like to moderate heavily, but at the same time, my interest and the focus of this site is boat design and boat building. Any time off-topic posts which are not directly relating to boat design or boatbuilding start causing us to lose on-topic contributors, those posts will go.

 

I did find that untimely political "barbs" were being launched in the middle of prefectly good boat threads. Unfortunate that the self restraint was not there. Some had theories that lack of a political section warrented such antics - can't buy that as there has always been a "Open Discussion" section here.

As much as I'd like to start with political jokes or funny pictures of GWB and the like, I have no control over where it would lead - so I must restrain myself.

I hope to see Trouty in the car forums I gave links to, there seems to be good seperation in those forums - can say why, just is, that's all.

 

I agree thoughly with Jeff on this; whilst it was a 'useful' discussion which did raise some rather heavy arguments it is now time 'to put it to bed'.

I therefore propose that we all, voluntarily take what we've learned from this, keep it to ourselves and move on! I for one fully intend to!

 

Xanana Gusmão was a Fretilin fighter and the leader of the resistance.

Indonesians, after years of international diplomatic lobbying (UN, EU, US) by the Portuguese government, delivered East Timor (an ex-Portuguese Colony) to their rightful owners, their inhabitants. The Indonesian delivered sovereignty to the US nations, represented by Australian and Portuguese forces, that successful organized free election. Xanana Gusmão was elected President.

The Oil deals were between Australians and Indonesians and yes, it was oil the motivation for the Indonesian invasion of the Island...and it was those advantageous oil deals with Indonesia on Timor oil that "prevented" Australia to take in due time a rightful position about the lawless Indonesia occupation of the East part of the Island.

I will not write more about this, but I was appalled by the "particular" description of well known and documented facts given by Trouty.

 

Bloody Hell!... When are you blokes going to get it?
It's not what you say that is the problem - it's simply that this isn't the place to say it!
You don't fart at the dinner table when you're at your mums house. You don't swear in front of your young kids. You don't pick your nose when your trying to impress a lady....
Don't bugger up an otherwise terrific BOAT design forum by prattling on about politics. It's simple!

 

Thin skins

Just how many emails have you had from me Jeff? Complaining about ANYONES posts or threatening to leave?

Exactly, not one!.

If panty wads want to take their bat n ball and go home - well good riddance and don't let the door hit em in the back on the way out! (is how I personally feel - about what you have posted above!).

If you want to pander to the vocal minority - then fine.

You won't find me emailing you about it.... nor in my 'mooderating' (deliberate pun) days would I have ever have deleted someones "work" (typing doesn't come easey to all) because I didn't agree with their point of view - or because someone else whined about it.

I too happen to like talking about boats - but if I have to have one typing hand strapped behind my back, while I give my opinion lest it offend some panty wad minority whinger - then I'd sooner say nowt.

The deletion - has made a mockery of an "open discussion" forum and the poll.

If you don't want "Open discussion" then don't have a forum for it and run polls on it - i.e. keep the place a purely Boat oriented site...and remove ALL political content from every post on every forum as a matter of course, i.e treat EVERYONE the same - don't just react to emails from panty wads minority whiners and penalise those who don't complain, but contribute equally!

My point - in answering the poll - was to make an overt example - that natural justice was not prevailing at the site - despite the forum and poll question. No one emailed me or PM'd me to object about my post, and you didn't discuss it's removal or alteration wiith me before hand, i.e I was denied natural justice.

I just pointed that out is all.

Because, it is related to the poll topic.

The land of the free and home of the brave...people who might not like what I say, but would fight to the death to preserve my right to say it.

Americans tell me thats what they love about their country, but in many instances, I see where they don't actually LIVE by the values they publicly espouse.

When you point this out - they take offence.

Hey - tis like water off a ducks back to me - who'd want to be a member of ANY web site that would allow ME to be a member (with apologies to Woody Allen)!

Last I'll say on it because I have amply made my point!

Sadly - that is the way of the world under the now world oil oligarchy! (Whether any of us like it or not!).

Cheers!