OUTRAGE! Ady Gil (Earthrace) trimaran rammed and sunk by whalers!

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  1. troy2000
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    Pretty much. It depends on voluntary compliance by the member nations, and there are no penalties or sanctions for non-compliance, and the member nations can quit any time they want to. That isn't exactly my idea of a 'law'....

    This International Whaling Commission, along with its activities and agenda, has been stacked with member nations who have absolutely nothing to do with whaling. Norway never joined to begin with, because they saw which way the wind was blowing. And I'm amazed that Japan has so patiently hung in, instead of just telling them all to piss off.
     
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    Apparently, the Sea Shepherds are lying again.....


    Japanese authorities have criticised the environmental activist group Sea Shepherd for abandoning a vessel at sea, apparently leaking fuel and debris.

    The Ady Gil was crippled in a collision with a Japanese whaling ship in the Southern Ocean on Wednesday.

    Sea Shepherd spokespeople have repeatedly claimed the boat had sunk, and on Friday the activist group abandoned the scene.

    But Japanese authorities have released photographs which show the Ady Gil wreckage is still afloat in pristine Antarctic waters.

    The official Institute of Cetacean Research said an oily substance thought to be fuel was leaking from the wreckage, "raising concerns that Sea Shepherd is willfully polluting the Antarctic environment".

    A Japanese vessel salvaged part of the severed Ady Gil hull and some arrows.

    The institute called on Australia and other countries to prevent Sea Shepherd's "vicious" sabotage of the whaling fleet.


    http://www.theage.com.au/environmen...antarctica-japan-complains-20100108-lyty.html

    I think it would be hilarious if the Japanese winched it on board one of their whalers and brought it back....
     
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    Under the Antarctic Ice Cap is the continent called Antarctica. And we already know Antarctica has vast amounts of oil, along with other resources. It just isn't practical or cost-effective to go after it right now.

    That might be one reason Australia is claiming 42% of it as Australian territory. You think?;)
     
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    I will say the date of photographs on the open sea can be a dodgy thing to conclusively prove.


    Make my day!
    Someone would lose a lot of face with that.
     
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    Dating photographs is very easy. Look at the cloud pattern and compare it with weather satellite photos.
     
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    More news.

    http://www.theage.com.au/environment/whale-watch/gillard-calls-for-investigation-into-antiwhaling-ship-crash-20100108-lxak.html

    Yes, will be interesting to see what charges are levied against whom.

    Okay, audio accompanying video to this article has someone claiming ADY GIL was stationary when SHONAN MARU hit AG.

    Tell me if I'm imagining things which do not exist, but is AG leaving a wake in this video?
    http://media.theage.com.au/national/breaking-news/boats-collide-in-whaling-clash-1019525.html?sy=age&source=theage.com.au%2Fenvironment%2Fwhale-watch%2Fgillard-calls-for-investigation-into-antiwhaling-ship-crash-20100108-lxak.html

    And if my rudimentary understanding of hydrodynamics is correct, stationary, i.e., a stopped, i.e., dead in the water, vessel doesn't leave wakes, kind of like how a stopped skier doesn't make tracks, yes? no?

    *Next question - would there chance to exist, and how would one get a hold of it, GPS tracking info for each vessel and would it's scale of resolution be fine enough to settle the matter beyond any percentage of ambiguity?
     
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    Well, the last we heard of the Ady Gil, another SS vessel had it in tow. So if there are now photos of it with no other ships around, it probably means the Japanese are telling the truth. Be interesting to see how it plays out, if true.

    They say they've recovered the bow portion of it already (along with some arrows...?!?). If they could recover the main hull, it might prove to be rebuildable. Can you imagine the self-righteous noise the SS would be making about demanding it back, even though they abandoned it and claimed it had sunk?

    From what I've seen of that bunch in the past, truth isn't a high priority with them. Instead, they're wiling to say anything they think might be helpful for them or their cause.
     
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    Not only is Ady Gil leaving a wake, she clearly accelerates right before the collision.
     
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    Several recently hacked/ intercepted e-mails from the U.N. High Council of Regulatory Fishing/International waters:


    cc: UNHCRFI
    from:The Plankton Society
    re: Japanese Whaler and Sea Shepherd "collision"

    Dear Sirs,

    *uuccckkk the whales! Japan Rules! We may be small but we have a voice...eat more chicken!!!
    Respectfully,
    KRILL

    CC:UNHCRFI
    from: The Cetacean Institute
    re: Japanese whaler sinks Sea Shepherd boat


    Dear Sirs,

    *uuuccckkk the Japanese and the Maru they rode in on...!!!!...

    Sincerely,

    Whales,Dolphins and most of the Porpoise family

    CC:UNHCRFI
    from:" Northern Pacific Coalition for Fishing Regulatory Change" and "The Pollock,Tuna,Halibut, and Pacific Wild Salmon Foundation"
    re: Japanese whaler sinks Sea Shepherd boat

    Dear Sirs,

    *uuccckkk the Whales, the Chinese, the Japanese, the Russians, greedy Alaskans, Publix, Safeway, Walmart, and most of all *uuuccckkk Mrs. Paul...we hope that f-ing *itch gets cancer of the uterus...!!!!!!!

    Sincerely,

    Most of fish in the Northern Pacific
     
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    It didn't take long before the conspiracy theories started popping up. Let's write to Sponge Bob so he can have a talk with Mr. Plankton.
     
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    Expecting, and rightfully so in my view, the general public to do zero research into its validity :?:
     
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    GTO has brought out a bit of the history of the IWC. As he said it was established to save the whales from extinction and enforce a framework of a sustainable fishery. It worked fairly well until the Soviets used it's rules and the honorable intentions of the other whaling nations to game the system.

    In the 50's the leading whalers were British boats with Norwegian specialists as crew. The Russians wanted in and started negotiations with British shipbuilding firms for whaling boats. The British naively let them look over the blueprints before signing contracts because of "concerns" the Soviets expressed. The Russians reluctantly reported they were unable to sign contracts for but refused to give the prints back. The next year a brand new whaling fleet showed up on the grounds, Soviet copies of state of the art British whalers.

    The Russian whalers then reported remarkable catches and the annual quota was reached early. The international fleet retired from the Antarctic grounds, the Russians stayed. They had been sandbagging and logging fictitious catches and now had the place to themselves with no inspectors and no monitoring. After a time a fishery that had been sustainable for 30 years or more no longer was. Some "mysterious" factor was at work and populations plummeted.

    The IWC was formed to encourage sustainable whaling. The bylaws were designed to create an open organization. Perhaps being politically naive there were no specific requirements that members actually be involved with whaling. As concern over whaling mounted non whaling nations joined with the intent of shutting whaling down. The organization was effectively destroyed from within.

    This is from memory but several nations (Norway, Iceland?) eventually called ******** and withdrew but the damage had been done. The organization that had been created specifically to sustain whaling had been gamed into trying to destroy the fishery.

    Antarctica is specifically designated as unowned and unclaimed territory. Australia is trying to worm it's way into possession of a portion of the continent. They have no valid claims and no specific jurisdiction of the waters in question.

    The whalers are not pirates, they are fishing legally as the framework for regulation exists. The japanese are gaming a system that itself has been corrupted and at a certain level lacks legitimacy.

    The ecoterrorists of the Sea Shepard Society have attacked these fisherman in the past with premeditated acts of violence that have sunk boats and placed lives in danger.

    I see no reason to give these terrorists the benefit of the doubt. What they are doing is blatantly illegal and in the past has been an attempt to at the very least place lives in danger. Let me repeat that, PLACE LIVES IN DANGER.
    As such the japanese can rationally have fear for their lives and act accordingly.

    The acts of violence that Paul Watson has done in the past were acts which any prudent man has the right to use deadly force to protect himself from. I wouldn't treat him any differently than I would any other terrorist. Paul Watson crossed the line from protester to terrorist in 1979. The man that saves his ship from peril with a bullet to Watson's brain will have my admiration. A bellicose view perhaps, but I can identify with some poor guy being attacked in dangerous waters far from home.
     
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    You got my vote. Terrorists commiting acts of war or piracy should be shot.
     
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    Would harpooning them do? :)
     

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    You better watch out.
    Paul might come back with a submarine. :eek:
     
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