Our Oceans are Under Attack

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  1. tom kane
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    I have a problem, my neighbor want`s me to cut down trees in my back yard because they shade her home and she says the house is miserable and cold and she can make me comply by applying to the district court under section 333 of the Property act. The land was recently subdivided and her house was put under the trees at my back fence.

    But that would be very expensive for us both.
    I have agreed to have the trees trimmed as she wants and she is paying so now a beautiful Rewarewa tree will come down and some others to let in more light and this tree is the reason for Tui`s in our back yard.
    I would like long grass to but now way would I be allowed to save the work and energy waste involved.
     
  2. myark
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    When in stay NZ I let my lawn grow and hire a lawn mower every 3 months which is only because the land lord is freaking out.

    What a waste of life mowing a lawn each week.

    My home in Thailand I simply place sand and created a beach front for my children to play also this keeps the many poison snakes to the out sides of the section and no lawns to mow.

    Around the section most the trees are shrubs that are eatable fruit such as banana, coconut and mango trees then lemon grass, jack fruit, galanga kafialan and others we eat and cook with.
     
  3. tom kane
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    We do not have much control of our lives do we and it is hard to decide who does.
    Next door a rental property is overgrown and mice are invading my property and lawns are mowed with a weed trimer occasionally (weed whacker US term) proper Kiwis who manicure everything stare and think it`s laziness and terrible.

    It is possible to live with Nature and still be orderly but most people have given up
    and all march to orders from their peers and comply to current fashion or living.

    I loved the fashion of the 1940`s when farmers let the Hawthorn tree hedges with apple and pear trees between grow and rank herbage was there for the cattle to brows. And grew veges for stock and farmers.

    Another 60,000 new immigrants to cater for this year. The new Invasion of the swarms.
     
  4. myark
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    When the nuclear war happens you will have every man with wife, children and their dog from the USA and EU forcefully immigrating to NZ as its the last place on earth the nuclear fall out arrives.
     
  5. myark
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    http://www.gatesnotes.com/Energy/En..._id=07_29_2015_EnergyIntro_BG-LI&WT.tsrc=BGLI

    We Need Clean-Energy Innovation, and Lots of It

    By Bill Gates
    | July 29, 2015

    Last month, during a trip to Europe, I mentioned that I plan to invest $1 billion in clean energy technology over the next five years. This will be a fairly big increase over the investments I am already making, and I am doing it because I believe that the next half-decade will bring many breakthroughs that will help solve climate change. As I argued in this 2010 TED talk, we need to be able to power all sectors of the economy with sources that do not emit any carbon dioxide.
     
  6. ImaginaryNumber
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    ImaginaryNumber Imaginary Member

    The Conservative Case for a Carbon Tax | NISKANEN Center (pdf)
     
  7. tom kane
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    There is no way out we will have to go nuke for our energy sooner than later and also to reduce the swarms of immigrants, I guess that will be the way of Human Evolution and our bodies will eventually cope with such extremes.
     
  8. myark
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    http://www.motherjones.com/media/2015/07/skin-game-hunting-polar-bears

    By international agreement, only indigenous peoples may hunt the world's remaining polar bears. In Canada, subsistence hunting permits are issued by lottery; hunters keep the meat and can earn more than $10,000 from the pelt, like this one harvested in Arviat, an Inuit village on the western shore of Hudson Bay. Tags may also be sold to non-indigenous trophy hunters. Local hunters disagree with conservationists on whether the hunt harms the already vulnerable species' numbers. Yet amid concerns that Canada might ban the trade in skins, last year hunters in the Nunavut region agreed to cut their annual quota from 60 to 45 polar bears.
    All photos by Ed Ou/Reportage by Getty Images
     
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    Fumes From Iowa Hog-Manure Pit Kill Father and Son

    http://www.motherjones.com/tom-philpott/2015/06/hog-cafo-fumes-deadly

    Here's another reason why Americans should think twice about how the United States is emerging as the globe's hog farm: concentrating thousands of hogs in one place means concentrating huge amounts of their ****, too; and that **** puts off gases that are so noxious that they can kill people who work near them. Think I'm exaggerating? Get this, from the Des Moines Register:

    A father and his son who were so close that they were “like glue” were killed Saturday by noxious fumes from a northwest Iowa hog manure pit—the second father and son in the Midwest to die of poisonous manure pit gases this month.

    These large, indoor facilities confine hogs above their own waste on a slatted floor—the waste falls through the slats and collects in a pit below. An incredibly putrid aroma—I've smelled it—shrouds these facilities. The air contains hydrogen sulfide, methane, ammonia, carbon dioxide, and volatile organic compounds. Hogs can live above these poison-gas cesspools because giant fans keep the air moving. But when something goes wrong beneath the slats, workers have to venture into places where there is no effective ventilation. And that's what happened on this Iowa hog farm, to heartbreaking effect.
     
  10. tom kane
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    Please tell me why indigenous people should have "special privileges"in any country we are all in this together. Equal Human Rights New Zealand.
     
  11. ImaginaryNumber
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    As the Arctic Thaws, New Temptations | New York Times
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  12. Yobarnacle
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    What does Tom Kane's post and imaginary numbers post regarding Russia claiming vast arctic economic zone, share in common?

    Simple greed.
    Almost everybody wants what they can get. Their fair share is never realized. It's always more than they currently have.
    To argue their position, they band into groups. A class action claim carries more weight. And they accuse others of already having too much, and demand they allow their group a turn at the trough.
    It's all self serving hype.
    The appropriateness of discussing greed in this thread, is valid.
    The entire agenda of man-made climate change is the downsizing of the west's lifestyle, predicated on the notion there are insufficient resources for the entire world to live so well, targeting the USA IN PARTICULAR must stop living so high on the hog.
    Since practically everyone is trying to improve their living standard, and it's an okay goal for 3rd world and indigenous peoples,
    then my reckoning is, it's also okay for the west to self aggrandize. Sauce for the goose and gander alike.
    Unfair? Since when has life been fair? Those who can, do.
    The real issue is, since people won't voluntarily desist in self interest, is it moral, legal, or possible to force them to?
    Be careful should you advocate force to achieve your agenda.
    That would justify others using force to further THEIR agendas.
    Sauce for the ...........
     
  13. ImaginaryNumber
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    Welcome back, Yob. I trust all is well with you and yours? I regret to inform you that in your absence your position as most-prolific-poster in this thread has been successfully challenged and you are now in a distant 2nd place -- and maybe soon-to-be third.

    Certainly an interesting question: How does one persuade a person/group to give us some short-term advantage in return for a longer-term advantage?

    People do it all the time. For instance, farmers store and then plant a certain percentage of their crops so that they can reap a greater harvest next year. And most of us, somewhat unwillingly, give up some of our income to the tax man in return for better roads, police and military protection, and education for our children (which in themselves are initially an expense that we hope will have a long-term payoff).

    So maybe we need to use both a carrot and a stick in weaning ourselves off carbon fuels. A stick in the form of higher fossil fuel prices, and a carrot in the form of the knowledge that we will be passing on to our children a better world than if we continue with business as usual (that is, pooping in our own bed).

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  15. Yobarnacle
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    Yobarnacle Senior Member holding true course

    Hidden agendas aren't rare nor is coloring the facade with moralistic sounding hype.
    Man is NOT causing climate change with carbon emissions or any other activity.
    Since that is glaringly obvious in our present day (increasing carbon but no correponding temp rise)and in earths history, the co2 hype fails.
    The socialist agenda is to bring down western culture using the climate as an excuse to control carbon (diminished life style and energy use).
    The opponents are clearly divided along political lines. It's a political agenda. Open your eyes. Look at it. It's obvious .
     
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