Origami steel yacht construction

Discussion in 'Metal Boat Building' started by origamiboats, Nov 30, 2001.

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  1. bearflag
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    bearflag Inventor/Fabricator

    This is why instead of banning I prefer the "scarlet letter" approach.

    Modify his title and signature and lock them. Just like you said its like the pub. better if everyone knows he is the forum drunk.
     
  2. welder/fitter
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    welder/fitter Senior Member

    Jarl,
    In Canada, no, unfortunately. It took our government until a year ago to require marine vessel operators(pleasurecraft < 20 metres) to show competency. The resulting exam does not show competency, but it's a start, I suppose. Still, one can build whatever one likes, anyway one likes. Yes, there are random boat inspections, but there are not enough marine safety officers to do more than hit & miss, and the boats are usually at a marina, in the water, when inspected. The officers are more concerned with safety gear, vhf w/station & operators licenses, etc. .
    Mike
     
  3. dskira

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    You should have opened it. It was a professional letter on you shortcoming, and the fact since you cant provide the simplest calculation on any of your boat, you are a fraud. you take money selling something you don't know.
    Your attitude is the one of a cheater, you insult all the naval architect, but you can even give one number on your boat you heavily ADVERTISE here.
    It is my right to warn anyone to don't buy your plans, since you are a fraud.
    This was my message.
    Now its public.
    Answer my question and the different will be put to side.
    BUT YOU CAN'T
    Here is the problem for you, you didn't thought about this one, you thought as long as they insult me they will not know the truth.
    I don't insult you, I ask you a question of life and death for your client AND YOU CAN'T ANSWER.
    You are on a corner, don't continue with anecdote and rambling, it will not work anymore.
    Let see your potential: ANSWER THE QUESTION. OR LEAVE.
    If I says that its because you told us you are better than professional, so if you can't answer the question, your presence here is mute, like a dead beat.
    Daniel
     
  4. dskira

    dskira Previous Member

    I am not for or against banning Brent, I just want him to answer the 101 in naval architecture. If he can't, since he said for 500 post is better that all the naval architect, he should leave, and that it is his own doing. Not mine or anybody else.
    I will discuss only on a professional ground, if he can't deliver his deep knowledge on naval architecture why he stay? He made the rule, I just implement it.
    But he didn't think it will go against him.
    Daniel
     
  5. Brent Swain
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    Brent Swain Member

    GM varies according to angle of heel. It is thus, not at a fixed distance.
     
  6. Brent Swain
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    Brent Swain Member

    When a lawyer name Mr Dale in Victoria drew up a builders contract for me, he said the track record of my boats is excellent, irrefutable proof of their structural adequacy.
     
  7. Brent Swain
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    Brent Swain Member

    Daniel
    Try it yourself. Go down to the nearest corner store , buy a magazine, take it home and read it, then take it back next day and ask for a refund. I'm sure they will find you as entertaining as we do.

    You live in a fantasy world
     
  8. bearflag
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    bearflag Inventor/Fabricator

    Ehhh?


    Proof you know nothing.

    You might want to read this and re-evaluate your answer.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metacentric_height
     
  9. rugludallur
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    rugludallur Rugludallur

    This is the sort of thing you learn during the first or second day of your day-skipper competency course, what about things like free surfaces in tanks, icing, etc.

    Brent, if it's real world tests you like I invite you to come visit my island, to prepare yourself here are two videos each one taken within 50 miles of where I live.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8U8ctOZZ9U&p=93B9606AFBAC6E52&playnext=1&index=5

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPBaqh3dcVM&feature=related

    Who needs framing anyways?

    Jarl
    http://dallur.com
     
  10. Tad
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    Tad Boat Designer

    How do you know a lawyer is lying?


    His mouth is moving............:p
     
  11. Brent Swain
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    Brent Swain Member

    Free surface is not an issue in the size of tanks with the baffles I deal with. Icing is not an issue on the south BC coast, and I have no interest in cruising the north coast in winter, altho I know of several origami boats which have for many years, with no problems.
    I can't see why anyone from BC would bother with Norway, as BC is similar in so many ways, yet here we have no problem with language barriers, visas etc. Some of my ancestors came from Norway, including King Halvdan the Black, who lived there in around 720 AD.
     
  12. pdwiley
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    pdwiley Senior Member

    And right there is one of the things that I object to.

    Brent has NOT built 3 dozen boats with his own hands so this is a direct and repeated lie of his and I have no hesitation in saying so.

    At most has has TACKED TOGETHER 3 dozen boat hulls.

    PDW
     
  13. welder/fitter
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    welder/fitter Senior Member

    Well, I'm not sure what that has to do with my response to Jarl's post, Brent.

    I'm surprised that a lawyer would offer an opinion on a matter better left for engineers/NAs/designers to determine, unless his opinion was from a strictly "legal" stand point.

    Good to hear that you have a builder's contract, however, as you previously mentioned that you have no control over how one builds to your designs and it is no secret that the boats built to your designs are almost as varied in layout & fittings(etc.) as there are owners, I wonder; Does the contract contain words to the effect that any deviation from the plans results in the builder not being able to refer to the boat as a Brent Swain designed boat?
     
  14. magwas
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    magwas Senior Member

    This flamewar is not about origami, but about mechanical strength, stability, and the personality of Brent. I am not with Brent in stability and mechanics questions, but I do believe you are unnecessary rude to him.

    You should then read the thread you started about steel building techniques, or any thread started by me. His behaviour makes any intelligent conversation nearly impossible.

    I believe you care for this forum. And this is why unacceptable behaviour should not be allowed. Even if you happen to like or agree with the one who does it.

    As I see your main concern here is to stop Brent promoting his boats, because they are not designed to sound engineering principles. Also the quality of conversiation is a concern (at least mine). This could be achieveable by some simple rules:
    1. If one states a fact and asked by proof, proof should be given before any other comment.
    2. If one have no qualifications to state something for sure, it should be plainly stated.
    3. No personal attack is allowed. If you point out that something is wrong, it should aim at the matter in question, not the person, and you should state how and why it is wrong.

    In this way after a brief period of harsh and balanced moderation this forum would again be a good place to exchange ideas and learn.
     

  15. Wynand N
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    Wynand N Retired Steelboatbuilder

    Jeff, I suppose you are right that it is not the forum's duty to to set the record straight....

    BUT, when someone is using the forum as a platform to promote & defend his work - a life and limb issue - and has being proven wrong and dangerous in his product and expertise by professionals and other members over a long period of time , it IS indeed the forum's duty to inform to all of this. The tag to his name Bearflag mentioned is a good starting point.

    Consider this scenario; I am an amateur and want a metal boat but really afraid of steel and welding since I am an accountant, I came to this forum and happens on this thread.
    I read all posts and since I am an amateur and the reasons mentioned, the BS posts start to make sense with his mambo jumbo of fast build, safety, little welds etc. A good salesman will tell people what they want to hear and this is exactly what BS is doing for me and since the is telling me what I want to hear, I would be automatically be biased towards BS and consider the other posts as "sour grapes".

    BUT, weak structures have a way to survive for many years but when the right conditions presents itself, the failures are catastrophic. Exactly the same argument with poorly designed boats.
    I am sailing with my BS boat I had decided upon after reading the origami posts and the influences/facts presented by BS as explained above.
    Suddenly the right conditions presents itself and total failure - like a mast through the floor as discussed already, boat sunk, my wife and friend drowned. Luckily I made it and reached shore.

    Now the USA is the country known as the place where everyone sues anyone over nothing. I get a lawyer and the following happens;

    1. Try to sue BS, but he will jump on his boat and disappear and he has no fixed address - so difficult to do.
    2. Sue BoatDesign.net - yes, this is the one, here I was sold on the BS boat - and a lawyer, not me, will go through the posts on this thread and what conclusion will he came by after reading the posts??. He will get the credentials of the professionals that warned the moderator of BS designs, his lack of knowledge to design and calculate safe boats, take note of the fact that many call for his banning was ignored, or even the lack of posting a warning to his name (BearFlag suggestion) to informed other that they are taking BS advise on own risk and it does not represents the forum (members) approval.
    The lawyer will have a ball in court.....

    Only my two cents for what it's worth
     
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