Origami steel yacht construction

Discussion in 'Metal Boat Building' started by origamiboats, Nov 30, 2001.

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  1. Brent Swain
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    None that I've seen .
    I notice that, after several months of work, Wiley says he us ready for plating his framework, a job that I have had done the day after the first steel arrived.
    So much for the theory that origami doesn't save time.
    Do you guys continue to enjoy the $2500 a year subsidy per car that cars in BC each get from the government? Can you say "Parasite?
    The lifestyle most of you guys live would take several more planets to sustain if everyone lived that way. Can you say "Parasite?"

    Rules assume that every steel boat is built with frames, which makes them grossly outdated for more modern construction methods. They have been devised for dinosaur building methods, and are thus irrelevant for origami boats.

    Wire feed means a far more expensive welder and a shop ,which greatly increases the cost of a boat, etc etc. Stick welding with a buzzbox is all you need for a one off.
    The Van de Stadt 34 is an origami boat. What works for them works for any other origami boat that size,. Same size boat ,same thickness plate , same strength.
     
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  3. bearflag
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    Digital camera's work too....
     
  4. larry larisky

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    brent you certainly good at eating burger, and keeping hot ladies busy, but on boat you don't have any clue of the destructive action of the sea, day after day of pounding by very bad weather. no flimsy flat or i don't know the term you use, will keep up with the terrible strength of a 40 ton drops of water coming down on your deck, pushing the hull underwater.
    you put beam on your deck bright man, so why not on your hull.
    dinosaur you said, yes. they are dead as the people if they go fishing with your dinghy.
    take a vodka, and enjoy life, but please be consistent: beam on deck frames on hull.
    ok now repeat after me like in a class: beam on deck, frames on hull.
    good man, good man.
    now we can go to the bar, drink and keep the ladies busy, if we can :D
     
  5. Brent Swain
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    Rigging
    My plans and book give te edetails for building your own mast and rigging details, for a fraction the cost of buying new from a rigger.
    Sails
    We are awash in used sails , for a fraction the cost of new, many in almost new condition.
    Engines. Used auto diesels can be bough for $1,000 in excellent condition.
    Batteries
    Mine cost me $100 each for two.
    Watermaker
    My book tells you how to build your own 540 GPD watermaker for under $1,000 which costs $10,000 new from west marine.
    Cushions
    My book tells you how to build them in minutes .
    Ports hatches
    My book tells you how to build them for a fraction the cost of buying them.
    Cleats, anchor winch. My book tells you how to build your anchor winch for under $50 . Cleats on a steel boat are welded in place, and cost under$1 each.
    Lighting
    under $50
    Refrigeration.
    Never had it in nearly 40 years of cruising, never needed it.
    Cruising budgets die the death of a thousand cuts. Take every expense seriously and reduce each one with innovation and imagination. Don't take advice from those who only know how to cruise expensively.
     
  6. Brent Swain
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    Roughly 200 have been built over the last 30 years .None have sunk. One was battered beyond salvage in Tribune bay after a week of pounding on the rocks. No major welds broke , but a few 3 inch long breaks occured. She could have been sailed anywhere in that state, but it would be far easier to build a new hull that straighten her out. A slimeball set fire to her. That was my only framed boat.
    One hit a rock with a bilge keel,doing 15 knots and had one keel drive n up into her. She wasn't built to the design.
    Another was abandoned on a Mexican beach after surviving 16 days pounding in huge surf before being pulled off in huge surf being lifted and dropped on hard sand for 1/4 mile with no major damage, except for a dent in the stern where they tried to jack her out of the sand with a hydraulic jack, she was as fair as the day I built her, Had she been framed, she would have looked like starved dog, from the plate being wrapped around the frames.
    No others have ever been lost, nor suffered any serious structural damage in 30 years of worldwide cruising.
     
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    This is probably overkill, but it can't be emphasized too much: when a salesman tells me his competitors are all crooks out to screw me with inferior products and methods, and/or artificially inflated prices or costs, I bail immediately. That includes people selling boat plans.

    Nor do I understand what some supposed government subsidy of motor vehicles in British Columbia has to do with drawing money from a pension fund, after avoiding any contributions to it for as long as possible. Sorry; that's the logic of a burglar who justifies stealing from the rich by saying they screwed the poor to get their money...
     
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  8. larry larisky

    larry larisky Previous Member

    i like that, it so true.
     
  9. troy2000
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    When someone tells you he's the only honest man in a crooked industry, it certainly won't be the last lie you hear from him.

    It's like people who start dragging God and Jesus into the conversation when you're talking business. When I was a contractor and a client did that, I wanted my money up front--because I had no doubt they were getting ready to stick it to me in the name of the Lord.:D
     
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    Subsidy? Huh? What subsidy? Where do I apply? :D As far as I know, I pay a lot of taxes & fees and, now, tolls to drive a vehicle! Btw, my "home" doesn't slough off ablative into the ocean 12 months of the year, either.
     
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    Damned if I know. I'd guess that Brent is doing some sort of arcane math, where things like tax dollars spent on highway maintenance become a 'subsidy' to car owners--forgetting, of course, that the money came out of their pockets to begin with, in fuel taxes and the like.
     
  12. junk2lee
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    so,ok,here's the whole post::

    well,ok.Innuendo AND insult...


    Well,slap me down!or anyone else that might think to peep,insult em before they do....
    And if someone you disagree with does post,
    ,why,it's BRENT ! He's everywhere!

    Man,get a grip....If there's 84,000 views out there for THIS kind of "debate",I figure they didn't stay long,or that there's only ten of us with compulsive 'thread-checking' disorders....
     
  13. LyndonJ
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    But longitudinal chines and curved portions continuing on are longitudinals aka girders they don't replace transverses at all. How do you figure that out?
     
  14. Brent Swain
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    Too big a boat is a major destroyer of of peoples' cruising dreams.
     

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    Buying your plate re primed and shot blasted is a worthwhile investment. I did that, and I have never blasted my boat, yet the original paintjob is a good as the day I painted her 26 years ago.
     
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