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[Yobarnacle]

only if it is kosher. Jesus was a Jew

 

[Yobarnacle]

So, our finest hour will be when we turn our backs on the rest of the world and leave them to their own problems, a large portion of which we caused? How noble.

proves again you don't comprehend what you read.

you took two different posts of mine and tried to combine them and both ended up out of context.

I said, now paraphrasing and elucidating, whatever calamity occurs, humans will rise to defeat, or solve it, and if the calamity is huge and multi faceted as you suggested, then that would be our finest hour.

i bet you also try to twist THIS around into something alien to what i just said.

 

[Yobarnacle]

the other post is about devoting some time and resources to repairing ourselves. and yes, for the required time span to do that, the world needs to rely on and be responsible for itself. They have no rights to demand we pay for their costs with american citizen's tax dollars!

 

[Will Gilmore]

Have you ever read the book or seen the movie, 'The Mouse that Roared'?

It's a different world where the victor in war is responsible for the reparations of the loser.

Don't read into this statement that I think we are at war with the world. I'm merely laughing about the concept as the premise for the story.

There is this concept in civil litigation that a pattern of behavior, such as regular financial gifts, could lead to an unspoken obligation to continue that behavior. Law suits have been won on this basis. When a party has come to rely on the actions of another party, that other party becomes responsible to maintain their support.

I think it's silly.

-Will (Dragonfly)

 

[ImaginaryNumber]

the other post is about devoting some time and resources to repairing ourselves. and yes, for the required time span to do that, the world needs to rely on and be responsible for itself. They have no rights to demand we pay for their costs with american citizen's tax dollars!

Is there no Biblical injunction to help those in need? Besides, we're all in the same boat (read, earth/atmosphere/ocean). If the boat sinks we all go down.

 

[ImaginaryNumber]

An update on Arctic Sea Ice Extent. Note that it currently is at a record low for this time of year, since satellite recordings began ~1980.

Arctic sea ice volume is also at record low.

 

[Will Gilmore]

What is the sheet ice doing? That's where the sea level change will come from.

-Will (Dragonfly)

 

[ImaginaryNumber]

What is the sheet ice doing? That's where the sea level change will come from.

-Will (Dragonfly)

What causes sea level rise? | NASA

Most of the observed sea level rise (about 3 mm per year) is coming from the meltwater of land-based ice sheets and mountain glaciers, which adds to the ocean’s volume (about 2 mm per year combined), and from thermal expansion, or the ocean water’s expansion as it warms (roughly 1 mm per year).​

Global Sea Rise | NASA

NASA continuously measures the weight of glaciers and ice sheets – with the twin GRACE satellites from 2002 to 2017, and with the GRACE-Follow On satellites since 2018. These satellites unambiguously show that the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets, as well as the glaciers, are shrinking.
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See also my May 1 post about Antarctic ice melt here.

 

[ImaginaryNumber]

Yeah. Support widows and orphans. For the rest, he who won't work, shall not eat.

I believe we are talking about global warming, which affects all of us. The developed world has caused the bulk of the problems, yet, because of its wealth, is best able to withstand the results. The developing world, which has had the least to do with the creation of the problem, because of its poverty is least able to withstand the negative effects of climate change.

Is it not taught in the Bible over and over that we should help those in need? The widow, the orphan, those oppressed, those who are hungry, those less fortunate, etc? Human-induced climate change is causing, and will continue to cause, more and more of the above problems.

 

[Yobarnacle]

That is YOUR opinion, not a fact, not stipulated, not an axiom.
Global warming exists, as does global cooling, and always has. Natural cycles we cannot initiate or stop. I can't imagine how anything humans do, short of total nuclear war, would dramatically affect the climate. Since we can't do anything to change it, didn't cause it, aren't responsible for it, I don't see why one or two countries are responsible for satisfying the greedy politician's appetites in the bulk of the world. Most foreign aid goes into bank accounts of corrupt foreign officials, didn't you know?
Private charities, supported by donations, and volunteers on the ground administering the aid, do more good than governments. Most of those charities are based in the USA.

How Effective is Government Welfare Compared to Private Charity? https://www.theadvocates.org/2013/06/effective-government-welfare-compared-private-charity/

Private Charities -vs.- Government Programs https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/currenteventsii/private-charities-vs-government-programs-t23156.html

The Shortcomings of Government Charity | Jude Blanchette https://fee.org/articles/the-shortcomings-of-government-charity/

The U.S. is the No. 1 most generous country in the world for the last decade https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-us-is-the-most-generous-country-but-americans-say-debt-is-keeping-them-from-giving-more-to-charity-2019-10-18

 

[Yobarnacle]

Have you ever read the book or seen the movie, 'The Mouse that Roared'?

It's a different world where the victor in war is responsible for the reparations of the loser.

Don't read into this statement that I think we are at war with the world. I'm merely laughing about the concept as the premise for the story.

There is this concept in civil litigation that a pattern of behavior, such as regular financial gifts, could lead to an unspoken obligation to continue that behavior. Law suits have been won on this basis. When a party has come to rely on the actions of another party, that other party becomes responsible to maintain their support.

I think it's silly.

-Will (Dragonfly)

Yes, I read it. Read and discussed "The Mouse that Roared".
Required reading in a jr. high lit class. 7th or 8th grade, don't recall, but remember the book and the plot.
A lifetime ago, Jeez time flies!

Kellogg–Briand Pact - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kellogg%E2%80%93Briand_Pact

The Kellogg–Briand Pact (or Pact of Paris, officially General Treaty for Renunciation of War as an Instrument of National Policy is naive and silly, and greatly responsible for WW2 and totally responsible for the notion of an obligation to rebuild your enemies after you defeat them.

Under the rules of international conduct prior to the Kellogg–Briand Pact, financial sanctions against a country was an act of war.
Under the new rules, were an option to avoid war, and legal.
The US placed economic sanctions against Japan, an act of war in Japan's old rules view.
They retaliated by attacking Pearl Harbor!
The day of INFAMY that the US used to enter the war, declaring war against Germany, Itally, and Japan.
Who started that fight?
the Kellogg–Briand Pact
Was it a good thing, the US helped defeat the AXIS powers?
Yes, IMHO those regimes were monstrous.
Doesn't mean Kellogg–Briand Pact isn't a ridiculous idea. Henry Kissinger said it is naive and ineffective.

This week in history: The Kellogg-Briand Pact https://www.deseret.com/2012/8/27/20505932/this-week-in-history-the-kellogg-briand-pact

As historian Carroll Quigley wrote in his book “Tragedy & Hope: A History of the World in Our Time,”
“The Kellogg-Briand Pact took one of the first steps toward destroying the legal distinction between war and peace, since the Powers, having renounced the use of war, began to wage wars without declaring them, as was done by Japan in China in 1937, by Italy in Spain in 1936-1939, and by everyone in Korea in 1950.”

"Though the treaty was undertaken with the best of intentions, the Kellogg-Briand Pact rested upon a foundation of false conclusions, unwarranted idealism and general naivete. In its sweeping declaration of the renunciation of war, it actually gave the Western powers an unfounded sense of security even as they let their ability to defend themselves stagnate. It empowered aggressors like Hitler and Mussolini, who played upon the Western desire to avoid war, to get what they wanted.

Far from preventing war, the Kellogg-Briand Pact helped to make World War II inevitable."

Needs something about oceans. Go Navy!
Final thought provoker.
Why has the US not declared war since WW2 yet fought so many undeclared wars since?
Uh huh!, Un Huh!

Study history, or you are doomed to repeat it!

 

[ImaginaryNumber]

....Most foreign aid goes into bank accounts of corrupt foreign officials, didn't you know?

What every American should know about US foreign aid

.....Does foreign aid go to corrupt, wasteful governments?
NO. Only about a fifth of U.S. economic assistance goes to governments. In 2018, 21% of U.S. official development assistance went to governments, 20% to non-profit organizations, 34% to multilateral organizations, and 25% elsewhere. Typically, when the U.S. wants to support a country that is ruled by a corrupt, uncooperative, or autocratic government, U.S. assistance goes through private channels—NGOs, other private entities, or multilateral organizations. Accountability of U.S. economic assistance is high—the U.S. imposes stringent, some would say onerous, reporting and accounting requirements on recipients of U.S. assistance, and the office of the U.S. inspector general investigates misuse.

Does foreign aid go to autocratic governments?
LESS SO TODAY. During the Cold War, when foreign aid was often based on the premise that “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” no matter what the nature of the government, some aid did find its way to autocratic governments. That substantially changed in the 1990s following the demise of the Soviet Union. However, there are countries that are at best “semi-democratic” and have autocratic elements but receive U.S. assistance because of strong U.S. security interests in their stability. Further, there is reason to worry that less concern with autocracy is reappearing with the abiding anxiety about terrorism in our post-9/11 era.

Does foreign aid produce concrete results?
YES. The U.S. government requires regular monitoring and reporting on how and whether assistance programs are working, and periodic evaluations of results. There is hard evidence that development and humanitarian programs produce considerable results, less so for programs driven for foreign policy and security purposes. While U.S. assistance is by no means the sole driver, the record of global development results is impressive. These results include:

• Extreme poverty has fallen dramatically over the past 30 years—from 1.9 billion people (36 percent of the world’s population) in 1990 to 592 million (8 percent) in 2019.

• Maternal, infant, and child mortality rates have been cut in half.

• Life expectancy globally rose from 65 years in 1990 to 72 in 2017.

• Smallpox has been defeated; polio eliminated in all but two countries; and deaths from malaria cut in half from 2000 to 2017.

• The U.S. PEPFAR program has saved 17 million lives from HIV/AIDS and enabled 2.4 million babies to be born HIV-free.

• Assistance programs can promote national economic progress and stability, which can make it more viable for citizens to remain at home rather than migrate to other countries..........

Private charities, supported by donations, and volunteers on the ground administering the aid, do more good than governments. Most of those charities are based in the USA.......

Some types of problems are best solved with personal or local charity. Other types of problems are best addressed at the governmental level. Although the US government gives more foreign aid than any other country, on a per capita basis or as a percent of GDP, the US is rather niggardly.

List of development aid country donors

Net official development assistance by country as a percentage of GNI

 

[SamSam]

proves again you don't comprehend what you read.

you took two different posts of mine and tried to combine them and both ended up out of context.

I said, now paraphrasing and elucidating, whatever calamity occurs, humans will rise to defeat, or solve it, and if the calamity is huge and multi faceted as you suggested, then that would be our finest hour.

i bet you also try to twist THIS around into something alien to what i just said.

No twists, I just thought it was a good example of your shallow hypocrisy.

 

[SamSam]

the other post is about devoting some time and resources to repairing ourselves. and yes, for the required time span to do that, the world needs to rely on and be responsible for itself. They have no rights to demand we pay for their costs with american citizen's tax dollars!

At least you're good for a laugh. I just wish there was video of you jumping up and down as you say these things.

 

[Yobarnacle]

No twists, I just thought it was a good example of your shallow hypocrisy.

step outside.