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  1. Yobarnacle
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    When they get our commitments to their way, then they take off the mask, and the gloves.
    I'm NEVER giving in, or giving up.
    I already know the monster behind the mask, and the steel talons in the gloves.
     
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    hoytedow Fly on the Wall - Miss ddt yet?

    People are not going to sit idly by while the chains are applied: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqLmR2_Qydo
     
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    I wasn't referring to the EPA as a monster. EPA abuses are just symptomatic.
    The monster is the control freaks that want to control everybody else in every aspect of life.
    and they are using our freedoms and our powers to control/modify our government, to institute an overbearing rigid government, where freedom is gone, and that could only be changed back by civil war.
    Call them what ever label they choose, they are totalitarians. Government must control everything.
    They are the monster behind, and using well intentioned but short sighted people, who would trade freedom for imagined security from a plethora of dubious threats.
    The fear mongers want you to surrender your freedoms, in order to escape the various dire threats they preach about.
    And let them install monster government.
    Because they think you and I are too stupid to rule ourselves.
     
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    hoytedow Fly on the Wall - Miss ddt yet?

    The EPA is just a club wielded by the control freaks to whom you refer. Many agencies are such truncheons to pound away at our freedoms from every direction in unison. They wear you down 'til you don't know which parapet to reinforce.
     
  5. ImaginaryNumber
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    Climate Change Slams Global Economy in a New Study From Stanford and Berkeley | Bloomberg Business
     
  6. Yobarnacle
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    Could?,if, might, BS. They don't know what they're talking about.
    Apparently have no concept of actual risk management and/or contingency planning.
    It is impossible to plan for ALL possible encumbrances and disasters.
    You prepare only for the most probable and most frequent (historically) risks.
    Preparation means that , in advance, you arrange for the correct tools, materials, spare parts, and knowledgeable/talented people to ameliorate potential problems.
    It doesn't mean, you stop living, or voyaging, or whatever endeavor you are embarked upon.
    You prepare to quickly solve the most likely problems and setbacks, so the project is NOT derailed for lack of fore thought.
    Experience is valuable because of a better understanding of REAL risks, and a resume of success in managing them.
    Anybody claiming experience in managing catastrophic climate change?
    All of this climate change "sky might be falling" propaganda is worry over unknowns.
    You cannot contingency plan for the unknown. You cannot manage unknown risks.
    Speculation is useless in any decision tree algorithm.
    So.
    If you truly believe a serious risk is eminent and highly probable.
    Then study and research how to be an expert fixer. Currently, none exist. Training IS thinking ahead.
    There is NO political solution.
    The problem isn't political, but nature, ergo the solution cannot be political.
     
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    hoytedow Fly on the Wall - Miss ddt yet?

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    FEMA to Californians: Buy flood insurance before it's too late | Christian Science Monitor
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    How the ocean’s frozen methane is being unlocked by climate change | Christian Science Monitor
     
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    Happening now:
     

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    Headline says it IS, the scientist in the article says it's POSSIBLE, and that it agrees with what they predicted (doesn't confirm or contradict what they expected, based on their beliefs that evil mankind triggers all these events with his tiny co2 contribution ).
    They offer zero evidence the methane had been locked up for 1000s of years. Assumptions.

    The part they got right, is methane is a potent greenhouse gas, and co2 isn't. Only 4% as powerful as methane

    I know WHY you post all these speculations and conjectures.

    Because you don't have any FACTS.

    You expect the rest of us to be as fearful of the unknown as you are.
    Nope.
    And we are not cattle to be stampeded, by shadows, or shady claims, or obscure reasoning.
     
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    hoytedow Fly on the Wall - Miss ddt yet?

    For swine, slop is good enough.
     
  14. ImaginaryNumber
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    Welcome, Pericles, to the discussion. It's good to have the viewpoint of different people. I'm wondering, though, if I could ask you and Hoytedow to back off on the pejorative characterizations of other people. Such comments don't serve to advance the rational discussion of the topic. I realize that for me to make this request is a bit like the Pot calling the Kettle black, but I am trying to reform myself, and invite you to work with me on this. [​IMG]

    That being said, you are both correct. I don't offer any facts, and I'm sure most everyone else is much more clever than I am. What I post I offer in good faith, but in fact it is third-hand information that I am unable to verify. Caveat Lector to whomever reads my posts.
     

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    Generous of you.
    My point was the scientists you quote aren't offering facts, but interpretations of observations and possibilities.

    On the site Pericles offered, one wit pointed out, if you buy a lottery ticket, it IS POSSIBLE you will win.

    Suggesting we disrupt our culture, society, economy over some remote possibility isn't logical
     
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