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I know what obfuscate means, that's why I used it.

Perhaps "fabrication" was a poor choice of word.

Perhaps you should research what you're posting. Posting blatantly wrong information and basing arguments upon them sort of opens you up to the charge of fabrication. At the least, it throws all your reasoning into doubt.

 

I live about 60km from Hong Kong and this last week is freaking cold and windy and actually thought it was going to snow, my wife back in Thailand near Laos boarder said she has never seen or heard of such cold whether her village is experiencing.

Hong Kong last summer was also is the hottest on record but also last week the coldest record in 60 years.
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What a scorcher: 2015 officially Hong Kong’s hottest year on record
http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...t-scorcher-2015-officially-hong-kongs-hottest

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Dozens dead as bitter cold grips Asia from Thailand to Taiwan
https://asiancorrespondent.com/2016/01/unusually-cold-weather-strikes-asia-from-thailand-to-vietnam/
In Bangkok, the temperature fell to 17.5 degrees Celsius yesterday before rising to a more seasonable 21 degrees Tuesday. It was even colder in Thailand’s north – Chiang Rai province plunged to 8.6 degrees Celsius Monday, before edging up slightly to 9 degrees Tuesday.

The unusual chill affecting the country was attributed to a south-bound cold wave from China, reported AFP.

But this chilly development is only part of the story in Thailand. In recent days, parts of the country have seen the weather swing from blistering heat to fierce thunderstorms to biting cold, prompting a fair bit of angst and bemusement.

 

I'll do some more researching for you, but I'm not buying you a plane ticket to go see yourself. Though even that would fail to convince a closed mind!
The first century spokesmen I selected, Josephus and Peter, are considered reliable witnesses of history, and quoted in many secular publications.
Peter said it was ash and still there, 2500 years after the destruction.
The people he was writing to, knew it was there. He was using it as a familiar known location to make a larger point.
As history, the Bible is well accepted among most archaeologists. A shovel in one hand and a Bible in the other is the motto of most. They have found many ancient sites, from directions in the Bible.
Josephus is probably the most often quoted historian of the middle east. He is well respected! He wrote the cities were still viewable in his day, and all burned up. If they lasted unburied 2500 years, why not 4500 years?

I'm not trying to prove God to you, on this forum.
I refuted IN's claim there was no evidence of Sodom and Gomorrah.

 

So, does that mean you expect us to believe him?

Brimstone is pretty much a biblical word, today it's called sulfer. As for sulfer nodules littering the area, the (way) more logical explanation, compared to yours, is that it's a natural geological process.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3788093/

It's a scientific study and hard for me to understand, as I'm not a scientist and am not too familiar with scientific terms. See if it makes sense to you.

This is in there...

Hmmm..it seems there are gigantic deposits of gypsum in the Dead Sea area. Does this mean all those Sodom and Gomorrahianite folks were just collateral damage and the real truth is that God hates gypsum?

 

http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/gulfstreamspeed.html

"The Gulf Stream has an average speed of four miles per hour (6.4 kilometers per hour).
Gulf Stream Current

The Gulf Stream Current—the main conveyor of heat from south to north in the Atlantic—swirls surface waters in this infrared image from the Suomi NPP satellite on April 16, 2013, centered around 180 miles due east of Atlantic City, NJ.

The Gulf Stream is an intense, warm ocean current in the western North Atlantic Ocean. It moves north along the coast of Florida and then turns eastward off of North Carolina, flowing northeast across the Atlantic.

Off the Atlantic seaboard of the United States, the Gulf Stream flows at a rate nearly 300 times faster than the typical flow of the Amazon River. The velocity of the current is fastest near the surface, with the maximum speed typically about 5.6 miles per hour (nine kilometers per hour). The average speed of the Gulf Stream, however, is four miles per hour (6.4 kilometers per hour). The current slows to a speed of about one mile per hour (1.6 kilometers per hour) as it widens to the north.
The Gulf Stream transports nearly four billion cubic feet of water per second, an amount greater than that carried by all of the world's rivers combined. "

So along it's length, the speed of the Gulf Stream varies from 1 to 5.6 mph.
What part did that fellow measure to determine it's slowing down?
Amazing how gullible people are!

 

the US defense budget was in no way material to my point, that the money spent trying to PROVE AGW would be better spent finding a clean affordable energy source.
I considered Scientific American a reliable source. Don't, or didn't you?

 

Short of you going yourself, this is the best I can do.
Many different people who have been there and filmed youtube documentaries of what they see, say the ash crumbles in your hand. Whether YOU believe them or not, is really YOUR problem. Go and see and prove them wrong, if you can.
http://www.realdiscoveries.com/articles.php?cat=74

Do these photos of the ash structures REALLY look natural to you?

And some analysis information.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_stone
"The highlands of Israel and the Palestinian territories are primarily underlain by sedimentary limestone, dolomite and dolomitic limestone. The stone quarried for building purposes, ranging in color from white to pink, yellow and tawny, is known collectively as Jerusalem stone."
"The thin layered mizzi hilu is easily quarried and worked. Meleke is soft and easy to chisel, yet hardens with exposure to the atmosphere and becomes highly durable.[3] It was used for the great public buildings of antiquity"

from those who've been there:

"The brimstone is composed of 96-98 percent sulfur, with trace amounts of magnesium which create an extremely high temperature burn. This is the only place on earth where you can find 96 percent pure monoclinic sulfur in a round ball. This brimstone is NOT from any type of geo-thermal activity as there is no evidence of such in the area, and geo-thermal sulfur nodules are only 40 percent pure sulfur and are of the rhombic type."

"The ash there today is composed of Calcium Sulfate and Calcium Carbonate which are by-products of the limestone and sulfur burning. "

and visible from satellite it's claimed as white areas

http://geology.com/world/jordan-satellite-image.shtml

 

IN in his post, claimed "NO EVIDENCE'! I've posted a rather large amount.
If you want conclusive, convincing evidence, that would change your mind, I'd rather attempt to swim the Atlantic.

 

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adidas Partners to Help End Ocean Destruction, Releases Sustainability Progress Report

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COP21: adidas, Parley Unveil Latest Innovation, Call on Industry to Collaborate on Sustainable Solutions

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Tristan Eaton and the world's most famous street artists will transform the abandoned Red Sands Sea Forts into iconic works of art.

https://www.kickstarter.com/project...ainting-the-red-sands-sea-forts?ref=discovery

THE MISSION

To pull off the most ambitious and adventurous mural project in history. Artist Tristan Eaton has been given approval to paint the historic Red Sands Sea Forts off the coast of the UK with a team of world renowned street artists. The entire project will be recorded on multiple platforms, and will be immortalized in a full-length documentary film.

WHAT ARE THE RED SANDS SEA FORTS?

Eight miles off the coast of England, the remains of seven historic sea forts sit dormant. The Painted Oceans project represents just another notch in the sea fort's belt of cultural and historical significance. Since defending Great Britain against the Nazis in WWII, the forts have found themselves repeatedly in the spotlight. From their Pirate Radio notoriety in the 1960s to roles in feature films, the forts have never quite died away.

 

Those old forts are weird things especially sailing near them on a lightly misty summer morning as they appear on the horizon (ie slightly limited visibility) and always remind me of something from the 'War of the Worlds'....

They won't be touching the Principality of Sealand eh?.......

 

Hoyt, thank you for reminding us to act civilly, especially when we disagree with each other.

 

As you noted, Peter and Josephus lived in the first century, whereas Sodom and Gomorrah existed, if at all, many centuries previous. As such, they cannot be considered 'reliable witness of history' of something that happen long before they lived. They were just parroting the commonly held beliefs of their time.

The images you posted are geological formations, plain and simple. A thousand archaeologists would give their left arm to 'discover' the TRUE remains of a supernaturally destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, but so far all have failed. The reason no one jumps on Rood's bandwagon is because they are professionals who don't want to become the laughing stock of their discipline.

 

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