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There are three ways to get money.
Earn it, inherit it, or rob!.
Which way does governments use to collect money?
No carbon tax EVER!

I frankly don't care if you agree with me. Our side doesn't need or give a rats tushy about a consensus.
We only need to prevent you passing draconian laws, or roll them back at earliest opportunity afterwards if you manage to pass them.
Cold is coming, and when it's here, the humans cause global warming movement will be in the dust bin.
But never forgotten! We will constantly remind folks how they were bamboozled by you folks!

You will try to change the rules of the game, look for someone else to blame, you may move and change your name, but you can't outrun the shame!

You are already positioning yourselves for a message change, if not warming, CO2 causes acidification.
I'd bet you try selling it causes cold weather, when it gets cold, but your credibility is already skating on thin ice!
When it gets cold, you will have none.
The world can be bitter cold to you in more ways than one!
(re-edited so now it rhymes)

 

Yeah, I'm not buying this "I'm that happiest guy on Earth" boffo act Yobarnacle keeps putting out or the rationality of his arguments. He tends towards Nostradamus conspiracies.

 

124 years ago...

On the Influence of Carbonic Acid in the Air upon the Temperature of the Ground

On the Influence of Carbonic Acid in the Air upon the Temperature of the Ground https://zenodo.org/record/1431217#.XxM6USgzY2x

Svante Arrhenius - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svante_Arrhenius#Greenhouse_effect

55 years ago....

A 50th Anniversary Few Remember: LBJ's Warning on Carbon Dioxide

A 50th Anniversary Few Remember: LBJ's Warning on Carbon Dioxide https://www.jacksonfreepress.com/news/2015/feb/02/50th-anniversary-few-remember-lbjs-warning-carbon-/

 

This is what Yobarnacle really fears, the fact that mindless consumerism and the policy of endless growth is the cause of AGW, and that to actually make a difference in combating it requires a very different mode of operation. I can hear him wailing already, "Communism, Socialism, Etc!".

Decoupling debunked – Evidence and arguments against green growth as a sole strategy for sustainability

Is it possible to enjoy both economic growth and environmental sustainability?

This question is a matter of fierce political debate between green growth and post-growth advocates. Considering what is at stake, a careful assessment to determine whether the scientific foundations behind this decoupling hypothesis are robust or not is needed.

This report reviews the empirical and theoretical literature to assess the validity of this hypothesis. The conclusion is both overwhelmingly clear and sobering: not only is there no empirical evidence supporting the existence of a decoupling of economic growth from environmental pressures on anywhere near the scale needed to deal with environmental breakdown, but also, and perhaps more importantly, such decoupling appears unlikely to happen in the future.

https://mk0eeborgicuypctuf7e.kinstacdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Decoupling-Debunked.pdf

 

I am proud of you.

"If the entire Antarctic Ice Sheet melted, sea level would rise by about 57 meters, or 187 feet (Lythe et al. 2001)."
SOTC: Ice Sheets | National Snow and Ice Data Center https://nsidc.org/cryosphere/sotc/ice_sheets.html

Thank you IN, I misremembered the units I was working in.
57 feet seemed scary enough, but 57 meters is even more so.

Let's call it 53 meters, but I'm willing to concede to 57 meters, it's close enough for the purposes of my point.

Since I AM working from memory, my numbers may not be exact, but the point is that a significant portion reported as the area of Antarctica, that I used to calculate, and confirm, the volume of ice that would be responsible for a 57 meter rise in sealevel, is below sealevel. It looks, from my perspective, like some of that volume is already displacing the oceans and wouldn't actually cause a change in sealevel.

My unscientific, general reading of the total area of the antarctic was used to mathematically calculate the total ice volume by multiplying it with the reported average thickness of antarctic ice to get what I considered was essentially the same number reported by "scientists". Then I learned that a lot of Antarctica is below sealevel, thousands of meters below sealevel, and I conclude the statement that sealevel rise, if Antarctica were to melt, is hyperbolic and therefore, bad science.

I will also concede that my work was not rigorous, by any means, and it is possible that I misunderstood the numbers I was using. Maybe when I got the total area of Antarctica, I only was given the total area above sealevel. The way I phrased my google question and the subsequent discovery of the article about the antarctic ocean bedrock was just a misinterpretation of my query. I am open to correction.

I wish there was more time in my day to look into these things, but three in the morning, when I get up to pee, is what I can squeeze in, for the moment.

I will add, that my mistake in memory, in no way, takes away from my posted premise that it is good to be skeptical of these grandiose statements. As you stated, no one is saying the antarctic will melt completely. The statement, "if it were to melt", was, never the less, made by a scientific article. These statements are meant only to galvanize (scare) us into action, but instead do just what my misremembered numbers are doing,

taking away confidence in the person espousing an issue.

-Will (Dragonfly)

 

Who was I fighting in Vietnam? Most combatants in Vietnam were volunteers, not draftees. I was also a volunteer. I don't fear marxists will succeed in taking over the USA, I am determined they will NOT take over the USA. Me and a whole bunch more patriots like minded as me!

Being miserable yourself, it is difficult for you to imagine someone happy. You don't know how to be happy, because you are too busy being sour and hateful. It is all about attitude! That is the secret of happiness! Try attitude adjustment!

Be grateful for the freedoms we all share. That is a good start.
Marxists want to shut down anybody not yakking their politically correct party line.
Stalin invented the phrase "politically correct" by the way.
Control freaks! Marxists are not freedom lovers! You can see it right here on this thread!

 

I agree.

Any ice below sea level that melts will not cause sea level to rise. In fact, I would think it would cause the sea level to fall slightly, as ice is less dense than water.

If correct it certainly is not bad science. It is just value-neutral information. You can use it, or misuse it, any way you want.

Yes, that is my guess too.

 

Soaring methane emissions threaten to put climate change goals out of reach

Global emissions of methane, a potent greenhouse gas, have soared over the past decade, according to two new studies that tracked growing sources of the odorless, colorless gas. The increased methane, combined with carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases, could warm Earth's atmosphere by 3 to 4 degrees Celsius before the end of this century — significantly above the levels that scientists have warned could be catastrophic for millions of people around the world.

Human activities account for about 60 percent of global methane emissions. Agriculture makes up roughly two-thirds of that, with fossil fuel production and use contributing most of the rest.

The two studies were published in the journal Earth System Science Data and the journal Environmental Research Letters.

 

Don't forget human flatulence! Nearly 8 billion people with gas could wreck havoc with the environment!
Should be illegal with a hefty fine! Don't you feel those who ignite their nether eruptions deserve some time in jail? A danger to themselves and the public?

Did the massive herds of buffalo that once filled the prarie, not suffer from flatulence like domestic cattle seem to do?

Can we talk about lice? Goes with nit picking!

 

Verbal diarrhea comes to mind.

 

Have you tried peptoabysmal?
If, on the other hand, your problem is mental constipation, try a large dose of sea water.
A voyage of about two months duration to clear your head!
Have you ever been at sea?
Do you own or plan to own a boat?

 

New climate predictions assess global temperatures in coming five years | World Meteorological Organization

Highlights

• Annual global temperature is likely to be at least 1°C warmer than preindustrial levels (defined as the 1850-1900 average) in each of the coming 5 years and is very likely to be within the range 0.91 – 1.59°C
• There is a ~70% chance that one or more months during the next 5 years will be at least 1.5°C warmer than preindustrial levels
• There is a ~20% chance that one of the next 5 years will be at least 1.5°C warmer than preindustrial levels, but the chance is increasing with time
• It is extremely unlikely (~3%) that the 5 year mean temperature for 2020-2024 will be 1.5°C warmer than preindustrial levels
• Over 2020-2024, almost all regions, except parts of the southern oceans, are likely to be warmer than the recent past
• Over 2020-2024, high latitude regions and the Sahel are likely to be wetter than the recent past whereas northern and eastern parts of South America are likely to be dryer
• Over 2020-2024, sea-level pressure anomalies suggest that the northern North Atlantic region could have stronger westerly winds leading to more storms in western Europe
• In 2020, large land areas in the Northern Hemisphere are likely to be over 0.8°C warmer than the recent past (defined as the 1981-2010 average)
• In 2020, the Arctic is likely to have warmed by more than twice as much as the global mean
• The smallest temperature change is expected in the tropics and in the mid-latitudes of the Southern Hemisphere
• In 2020, many parts of South America, southern Africa and Australia are likely to be dryer than the recent past

 

Well, we have two entirely opposite predictions. Yours is measurably warmer, and the predictions I count upon, say measurably colder.
Sounds like a horse race to me!
Any bets?
You are touting five years, I'm going for ten.
2030 will be MUCH colder.
How about your boat?
Any interest in boats? Or only an activist propagandist with a big stirring paddle?
You overplayed your hand. You have been called!

 

I have owned 5. Currently own 2.

 

Excellent. You never mention boating so I had cause for doubts. Enjoy!
What type of boats do you like, have, had?