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  1. ImaginaryNumber
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    All the more reason that we in the developed world should be drastically cutting back on our fossil fuel use, rapidly developing alternative energy sources (including nuclear), and sharing those technologies with those who otherwise couldn't afford them. Call it enlightened self-interest.
     
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    Haven't you heard?

    2020EmissionsReportChart1.png

    It won't affect warming though, because the minor (less than 5%) human contributed CO2 doesn't drive climate, the oceans do.
     
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    As has been mentioned a number of times on this thread, international goals are nowhere nearly enough to keep warming to tolerable levels.
    I see you're back in ostrich mode.
     
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    Two girl ostriches walking in the savanna together, one says to her companion, "Don't look now, but two rough looking birds are following us!"
    The companion suggests they hide, so they bend over and bury their heads in the sand.
    The two male ostriches on their trail, stop and staring directly at the elevated apparently vulnerable females bottoms, in amazement and unison groan, "Where did they go?"

    Society agrees to function by certain accords. Demanding more, moving the goal post, after the agreement has been made,, loses for you, your seat at the table in the future..

    I ain't bending over for nobody., never have or will, and certainly not for you.
    I'm as consistent as the day is long. Never gave you any indication I wasn't.
    Permanently lose the ostrich label, Barney.
    Doesn't fit!
    I walk point! Always!
     
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    The ostrich analogy has to do with where one's head is. It is informative that you interpret it as to where your nether regions are. But I'm sure AII will soon be here to inform you how rude and crude you are.
     
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    You are terribly confused to think you and your comrades hold the moral high ground. You don't even have morals!

    MY otritch story was: In ostritch society, burying your head IS effectively hiding, and everone agrees the rest of you is invisible.Not to be noticed!

    The point is, the US is keeping it's commitments with the other nations.

    You aren't satisfied, want more. That is known as Bad Faith negotiations and Bad Manners and Bad Sportsmanship!!
    Don't expect to be welcome at the negotiations next go around.

    Also, cold is far more deadly than heat!
     
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    A II no senior member → youtu.be/oNjQXmoxiQ8 → I wish

    I'm with IN that the so called developed nations should take the lead in the latter ASAP, to help themselves and also the developing nations.
    Once an Inuk got far south and was driving thru Oz-land, suddenly a lot of smoke appeared from the engine, so he stopped along the road, an Ozzie came to his aid and looked under the hood, you blew a seal, he said.
     
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    A II no senior member → youtu.be/oNjQXmoxiQ8 → I wish

    Although I know what the ostrich analogy stands for, and use it myself sometimes, it's actually a common but false legend that ostriches themselves follow that analogy and bury their heads in the sand to avoid danger.

    Just an ostrich chick vid...

     
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    You edit your posts so often it's hard to keep up.

    The goal posts have NEVER changed. Mother Nature sets the goal posts through the laws of physics, chemistry, biology, etc. We play by her rules, or we soon are not playing at all. To borrow a baseball metaphor from Thomas Friedman: "Mother Nature bats 1.000, and she always bats last."

    If you are referring to the Paris accords -- they were widely understood to be insufficient for the required task. The majority of nations wanted something that better represented what was needed to keep temps to +2C max, and ideally to +1.5C. As recent research is finding out, at current emission levels we will be lucky to keep temperatures to +3C, +4C, or even +5C. Care to guess which nation (and which political party of that nation) was the primary foot-dragger in setting more realistic goals?
    You might turn around and consider whether it really is an honor to lead the embarrassingly ignorant mob following you.
     
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    Visiting or living in a different culture is fraught with pitfalls.
    Working in Venezuela on a two year contract, decades ago, I sought to buy fishing hooks for my crew. The young lady clerk assisting me was very offended when, I slightly mispronounced a word while trying to explain the small hooks she offered me were too small.
    I wanted hooks large enough to catch a whale, was my intent. whale in Spanish is la ballena. Pronounced ba yeena.
    The letter V is for some words pronounced as a B in Spanish. I intoned ba yina. A female organ. My apologies were NOT accepted!
     
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    The US isn't a signatory of the Paris Accords. President Obama signed, as an executive agreement that expires when that president leaves office. Trump went the extra step of withdrawing so no one would be confused, Obama's signature was non-binding.
    The Senate never ratified so it is not a US treaty and not binding.

    Walking point isn't about leading. It is being on high alert, super aware, super cautious, super attentive, high concentration to details, and is very exhausting.in a war zone.
    The point man is frequently relieved for that reason.
    I never ceased walking point when I returned from war.
    My head is never in the dirt. Eyes wide open all the time!
    I would add ears to that, but don't want to read about wind whistling through! :)
     
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    Edit button is for the same reason they put erasers on pencils. sometimes, after I post, I need to correct or add something. Apology not in order.
     
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    Even if the US had signed the accords, there was nothing legally binding, only a pledge. Sad that so many in the US are blind and ignorant.
    Yes, being the point man is dangerous and exhausting. We should be grateful for those willing to assume such a position. Unfortunately, courage and wisdom are different traits. While you may have courage, you are definitely lacking in judgement and wisdom. The course of action you are recommending leads, unnecessarily, into an avoidable minefield.

    Thanks for your service, Cuz, but it's time for you to be relieved.
     
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    And I have used it many times myself. But once other's have started responding to your post courtesy would suggest you no longer make substantial modifications. Some forums enforce that recommendation.
     

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    FWIW, comet NEOWISE can be seen in the NW skies, just above the horizon, from deep twilight on (10pm +/-). Brightest comet in the last 20 years. Find the lip of the Big Dipper, then drop straight down, more or less. Earlier in the evening you need binoculars or a spotting scope to see. As it gets darker you can pick it out without aid. Will only be visible for the next week or so. Next opportunity, some 6,800 years from now. Probably only Yob will be around then to see it. :)
     
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