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  1. Yobarnacle
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    You failed to prove anything back then, so repeating it won't function this time either.
    You are not alone among your comrades, not understanding the difference between PROOF and a BS spiel!

    In that discussion I referred to CO2 not being the God of the Gaps!
    The reason I made that point then and now, is:
    Coming out with a narrative of how a miracle could have a natural explanation doesn't win theological arguments, though many believe so it should.

    Coming out with a convoluted scenario how CO2 MIGHT drive climate, is not evidence it works that way.
    Science is not about who devises the best story!

    And that is all AGW alarmists have, is a story they chose to believe. Without any proof! I don't believe the spin, and that's ALL it is!

    So, no more boring stories how you believe it works. Let's see some proof!
     
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    You grossly misunderstand how science works. It seldom, if ever, provides a "proof". Only a preponderance of evidence. As has been stated many times before, in many different ways, the vast majority of climate scientists believe that the preponderance of evidence suggests that AGW is real, and that AGW is serious. No proof. The contrary evidence you present is usually cherry-picked, or from dubious sources, or is an old analyses long since discredited, or whatever.... It's your choice to believe whatever you wish. But your self-proclaimed superior judgement is called into question with every post you make.
     
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    Oh, I had so much hoped I would convince you to my point of view. I felt I had an even chance. So disappointing.
    Yes, you keep repeating spin, as if it counted for anything.
    I have also posted the unethical origin of your consensus false talking point, but you keep dragging it's worthless carcass on parade!

    There is a greater preponderance of evidence that nobody understands climate very well!

    Thousands of scientists, including Nobel laureates reject AGW. Produce contrary evidence.

    Only those you approve count. Only sites you approve count. Only posts you like count.

    That is why we will never allow your group to run things!
     
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    You are correct, a hypothesis can never be proved only disproved.
    Warming exists, It's not aggressive, massive, catastrophic, or any of that.
    It is MOST likely part of the thousand year cycle of historical warm periods. The timing is correct!
    CO2 is too puny, and human CO2 is 5% of that puny CO2. Irrational to even suspect human CO2 drives climate!
    But that was what IPCC was created to do. Not to be scientific. To push an agenda. That is a self admitted fact in the originating charter!
    You ignore water vapor, natural contributed CO2, the watery oceans 200 times more massive than the ocean of air, ignore clouds, sunspots, a weakening magnetic field, which is a radiation shield, and you ignore claims by climatologists, even the IPCC, that climate is too complicated and chaotic to understand or predict.
    But you are a believer! Faithful to death, I imagine!,
     
  5. ImaginaryNumber
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    CALM THYSELF!!!

    You will feel so much better when you get your computer chip implanted in your brain. I checked, and they should be getting to your zip code by the end of the year. However, if you don't think you can wait that long I have a friend who owes me a favor and I think we could get you bumped up to by the end of the summer.

    Believe me, a computer chip makes you feel so much better than any conspiracy theory you could ever concoct.

    Try it, you'll like it. I Promise!
     
  6. Yobarnacle
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    You obviously enjoy yours! Programmed to like being a cog in the socialist machine. No thanks!
    When do they have you scheduled for recycling? Do they transmit a signal? Or is it pre-programed built in, one day you just alll stop? Your lights flicker and die!

    Of course, you've always felt fragile, and believe the world is fragile too!

    Me, I'm built of sterner stuff, and know the planet was designed to self heal and adapt. Tough old world! Even absorbs and survives asteroid strikes in the past!
     
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    A II no senior member → youtu.be/oNjQXmoxiQ8 → I wish

    Yes you did, in post #3409 you've said: ‘‘Bangladesh should take heart and inspiration from the history of the Netherlands.’’

    But the Dutch didn't do it as Poor farmers in their history, they did it with a lot of dirty money, as mentioned before in post #3413 and #3418 and #3419.
     
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    A II no senior member → youtu.be/oNjQXmoxiQ8 → I wish

    That's circular reasoning and fallacy.
     
  9. Yobarnacle
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    You "CHERRY PICKED" from my post! You can see I quoted the page EXACTLY in my post above. Here is a screen shot of the site.
    YOU moved the narrative to 1600s for your own agenda..

    Screenshot_2020-06-28 History Dutch Dikes(1).png
     
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    wrong
    An excellent example of circular reasoning is stratification.
    "How do you estimate the age of fossils?"
    the strata they are found in.
    "How do you determine the age of the strata?"
    by the fossils it contains.
    That is a "CLASSIC' circle jerk.

    Climate is long term weather patterns.
    Oceans drives weather over a very long term.
    Ergo, Oceans drive climate.
    it's a simple linear extrapolation, not circular reasoning.

    It's called logic! If A=B and B=C, then A=C.

    If climate =weather over time.
    And Oceans "drive" weather over time,
    Then, you can substitute climate for "weather over time" in the formula, since they are equal.
    Logically follows, then Oceans 'drive" climate.
     
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    A II no senior member → youtu.be/oNjQXmoxiQ8 → I wish

    You refer here to your own post were you cherry picked a small part from your own source, while it's a matter of the history as a whole, so I've pointed out in post #3413 and #3418 and #3419 which important parts for Dutch dike building you've skipped by your habit of cherry picking.
     
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    A II no senior member → youtu.be/oNjQXmoxiQ8 → I wish

    Where was it scientifically presented that way ?

    Or did you just come up with it yourself ?

    Or just parrot it from others who say it without indicating were they base it on ?
     
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    A II, you completely missed my entire point.
    "This was the period (prior to 1500) that saw the first large-scale building of dikes.
    This effort in this period was/is inspirational.
    Later periods were ignored as NOT inspirational!
    I suspect you just want to throw rocks. Lol!
     
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    Later parts were essential for Dutch dike building, otherwise they would have been today like Bangladesh is now.
     

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    No argument there!

    Bangladesh has manpower and beasts of burden, and I suspect some heavy equipment like bulldozers, too.
    Can they build dikes if they decide too? Certainly.
    Why aren't they? Lack of inspiration?
    Or some nefarious persons told them they were OWED rescue by other nations, and to sit on their hands, do nothing for themselves, and patiently wait for either:
    Rescue or Disaster! which ever arrives first!
    Many struggling people are CRIPPLED by well intentioned busybody bad advice!
    Survival is about self reliance. If you don't care enough about surviving to try, nobody else will care to help either!
     
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