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  1. Yobarnacle
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    What does the majority know that isn't true? science stories.

     
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    Could this be a solution for all that trash in our oceans,...including the huge collection of plastics.

    Possible Solution !?

    California trash-to-hydrogen plant promises dirt-cheap, super-green H2 https://newatlas.com/energy/sgh2-cheap-green-hydrogen-california/


    ...just an excerpt....
    How it works
    The process, developed by SGH2's parent company Solena, uses high-temperature plasma torches putting out temperatures between 3,500 and 4,000 °C (6,332 to 7,232 °F). This ionic heat, with oxygen-enriched gas fed in, catalyzes a "complete molecular dissociation of all hydrocarbons" in whatever fuel you've fed in, and as it rises and begins to cool, it forms "a very high quality, hydrogen-rich bio-syngas free of tar, soot and heavy metals."

    The process accepts a wide variety of waste sources, including paper, old tires, textiles, and notably plastics, which it can handle very efficiently without toxic by-products. The bio-syngas exits the top of a plenum chamber, and is sent to a cooling chamber, followed by a pair of acid scrubbers to remove particulate matter.
     
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    another pro flat earth post?
     
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    I never post pro-flat earth arguments.The world is round. If AGWers wasn't so myopically focused and intense on human CO2 causing a future catastrophe., they could participate in conversations. I post rational arguments against believing the hype, that nature is a perfectly balanced seesaw and humans, being a plague on the planet, tip the seesaw dangerously. Because once someone adopts the AGW POV, it seiously restricts their vision and hearing. Alternative points of view need to be seen.
     
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    With modern technologies, the sky is not the limit.there are possibly NO limits of what we can achieve, unless we willfully refuse to try.

    Clippppp.jpg space station.jpeg sub.jpeg

    In the 1850, citizens of Chicago jacked up the entire city to save it! Where there is a will....?

     
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    If you start with a narrow preconceived premise, you are unlikely to change your opinion regarding evidence.

    blind men and elephant.jpg

    So, which scientist is smelling CO2?
     
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    Perhaps my upbringing equipped me to be a survivor. I was born and raised in Florida. We lived without air-conditioning, or color TV until I enlisted in the military and went to Vietnam. Both parents worked. My siblings and I had daily chores tending Mom's huge garden, caring for the rabbits and chickens and dogs and cats. As the eldest, I also hunted and fished to add variety to our dining table. Survival skills? Work and stoicism.
     
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    Voyager 1
    Space probe
    Description
    Voyager 1 is a space probe that was launched by NASA on September 5, 1977. Part of the Voyager program to study the outer Solar System, Voyager 1 was launched 16 days after its twin, Voyager 2. Wikipedia
    Launch date: September 5, 1977
    Launch site: CCAFS Space Launch Complex 41
    Power: 470 watts (at launch)
    Cost: 250 million USD
    Manufacturer: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
    Rocket: Titan IIIE
    SATCAT no.: 10321

    The mission of Voyager was designed for five years yet 43 years later it is still working, still transmitting data, still responding to orders. Why? What valuable life lessons, including climate policies, can we derive from the design of Voyager?



    They didn't design limitations into the probe!
    Any policy regarding climate change, must not limit future options. In other words, only initiate "non-regrettable" policies!
    Yes, climate is changing, always has, but the notion humans are causing it, could temporarily excuse some very detrimental dangerous governmental decisions and policies Government is made up of people. Politicians sit at the top! Can you trust politicians?
     
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    Consensus is an important component of the scientific process.

    Scientific consensus | Wikipedia
    Scientific consensus is the collective judgment, position, and opinion of the community of scientists in a particular field of study. Consensus implies general agreement, though not necessarily unanimity.[1]

    Consensus is achieved through communication at conferences, the publication process, replication of reproducible results by others, scholarly debate,[2][3][4][5] and peer review. These lead to a situation in which those within the discipline can often recognize such a consensus where it exists; however, communicating to outsiders that consensus has been reached can be difficult, because the "normal" debates through which science progresses may appear to outsiders as contestation.[6] On occasion, scientific institutes issue position statements intended to communicate a summary of the science from the "inside" to the "outside" of the scientific community. In cases where there is little controversy regarding the subject under study, establishing the consensus can be quite straightforward.

    Popular or political debate on subjects that are controversial within the public sphere but not necessarily controversial within the scientific community may invoke scientific consensus: note such topics as evolution,[7][8] climate change,[9] or the lack of a link between MMR vaccinations and autism.[6].......
     
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    CO2 Coalition | More Evidence Atmospheric CO2 is NOT Earth’s Temperature Control Knob https://co2coalition.org/2018/09/06/more-evidence-atmospheric-co2-is-not-earths-temperature-control-knob/

    More Evidence Atmospheric CO2 is NOT Earth’s Temperature Control Knob

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    Barral, A., Gomez, B., Fourel, F., Daviero-Gomez, V. and Lécuyer, C. 2017. CO2 and temperature decoupling at the million-year scale during the Cretaceous Greenhouse. Scientific Reports 7: 8310, DOI: 10.1038/s41598-017-08234-0.

    Writing as background for their work, Barral et al. (2017) say that “CO2 is considered the main greenhouse gas involved in the current global warming and the primary driver of temperature throughout Earth’s history.” However, they continue, “the soundness of this relationship across time scales and during different climate states of the Earth remains uncertain.” And given such uncertainty, the team of five French researchers set out to “explore how CO2 and temperature are related in the framework of a Greenhouse climate state of the Earth,” namely, the Cretaceous period of approximately 80 to 130 million years ago.

    In doing so, the authors utilized carbon isotope compositions from fossil samples of the conifer Frenelopsis, which they compared with the historic sea surface temperature record of Martin et al. (2014). The resultant comparison is depicted in the figure below.

    As revealed in the figure, Barral et al. report that pCO2 during the warm mid Cretaceous was in the range of 150-650 ppm, which value they say is “far less than what is usually considered for [this interval].” Another intriguing finding was the “drastic Myr-scale pCO2 drawdowns [that] took place during the warmest time intervals described for the Cretaceous (Martin et al., 2014; Mutterlose et al. 2014; Naafs et al. 2016): a drawdown of ca. 310 ppm (from ca. 500 to ca. 190 ppm) during the upper Barremian-lower Aptian interval (ca. 7.5 Myr), and ca. 225 ppm (from ca. 410 ppm to ca. 190 ppm) during the upper Albian-lower Cenomanian interval (ca. 5 Myr).” What is more, they report that, “at the Myr-scale, trends in pCO2 are even inverse compared to temperature during significant time intervals such as the upper Barremian-lower Aptian (considering the higher resolution temperature curves based on TEX86 proxy; Mutterlose et al. 2014; Naafs et al. 2016) and the upper Albian-Santonian in which pCO2 minima are coeval with thermal maxima.” Consequently, Barral et al. conclude that “if pCO2 was rather low and usually decoupled from temperature at the Myr-scale, it may not have been the main long-term driver of global warming during the Cretaceous.

    Indeed, and considering all the many other examples that exist in the peer-reviewed scientific literature of a decoupling of atmospheric CO2 and temperature (see CO2-Temperature Correlations in our Subject Index), there is ample reason to conclude that CO2 is but a bit player among the many factors influencing climate change.
     
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    Consensus is an important component of the scientific process. says Imaginary Number.

    Einstein’s retort with regard to his theory when he heard that a book titled 100 Authors against Einstein was published in Germany. Quoted in Stephen Hawking, A Brief History of Time (London: Bantam, 1988), 178

    quote is considered apocryphal
     

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    Posted previous with a partial.
    From The Ultimate Quotable Einstein p. 170, Einstein said of this work:

    If I were wrong, then one [author] would have been enough!

    Einstein’s retort with regard to his theory when he heard that a book titled 100 Authors against Einstein was published in Germany. Quoted in Stephen Hawking, A Brief History of Time (London: Bantam, 1988), 178
     
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